Scratch

you know what, i know an option that could please everyone 
make it in scratch, then take it and put it into BYOB as well!  that way you could release both a scratch version and a BYOB version!

also i still say windows (NO COPY ISYN FOO!)

fg123 wrote:

Exactly.    Shadow: Theres your answer.

How should I tell you?

I know! Get on IRC! 

fg123 wrote:

Nah. Skype? 

I don't have Skype, but do you have gmail and a webcam? 

08jackt wrote:

Greatdane wrote:

The 20+ apps in the apps store were made majorly by you. That completely defeats the purpose of it. After 3 weeks, a couple people tried making an app and said, "Nah, I don't like it." And, do you call THAT an app store? A couple pictures of useless icons with too long a name on the bottom.

This is where you are wrong.
9/24 apps are created by me.

I'm pretty sure that isn't even near the majority. Besides, I don't even see any apps created by other people for yours.

ALSO, th shop was opened for all scratchers. I've Put my bias towards art and stuff aside to allow the app store grow for ALL people. Also, you'll notice many people who have worked on the App kit, have released, or is working on, more apps for it. The platform is simple and straight forward. And easy.

Let's move on. No windows, no minimization system, and really simple. The design is really, not planned out very well. Minimal space for windows, not a very good desktop.

Please note that the iSyn isn't supposed to be a computer simulation; it's just an OS. It's like some one saying "OMG THE DSi DOESN'T HAVE WINDOWS!!! OMGZFDSOJFOSDNF"

My aim for the iSyn was amke something simple, that works better than anything else of it's kind.

Let's take a look at a comparison table between iSyn, Sangle and Xeno9.

http://i33.tinypic.com/23mq72r.png

dere, pwn'd. :-D

You now get the EPICWINOFTHEYEAR award. 

Nice argument, I'm going over to the dark side unless Xeno can bring me back. 

shadow_7283 wrote:

rocket101 wrote:

shadow_7283 wrote:

Pfff. Photon will rule the world!!!!!!!!!! XD

You mean "TechMaster 2.0 will rule the world and totally crush photon"

Have you seen Photon?    If so, then that's about 1/10 as awesome as the latest version. 

TechMaster Trailer coming out soon! And it is 10 times better than the Orion OS trailer, yet 0.5 times as awesome as the OS

shadow_7283 wrote:

That's the problem with all these so called "OSs".
Think about it. You'll never compete with the computer's actual OS. It's impossible. So importing music and photos? Pretty much worthless.

That really leaves you with only one option left to make a GREAT OS.

You need to keep people ENTERTAINED.

I got bored with iSyn in two minutes. Xenotype didn't have enough to play around with. And Orion OS?
I'll see it, and then I'll judge.

What is the point of an OS if people are going to have to FORCE themselves to play with it? It gets BORING.

Instead of trying to make it all OS realistic with settings, and wallpapers, and import features (just use iTunes or Windows Media Player!), try to make it FUN for once.

Yes, it's a short rant, but it's a super awesome one.

The end.

*bump*
Don't ignore my super-short rant!

Greatdane wrote:

08jackt wrote:

Greatdane wrote:

The 20+ apps in the apps store were made majorly by you. That completely defeats the purpose of it. After 3 weeks, a couple people tried making an app and said, "Nah, I don't like it." And, do you call THAT an app store? A couple pictures of useless icons with too long a name on the bottom.

This is where you are wrong.
9/24 apps are created by me.

I'm pretty sure that isn't even near the majority. Besides, I don't even see any apps created by other people for yours.

ALSO, th shop was opened for all scratchers. I've Put my bias towards art and stuff aside to allow the app store grow for ALL people. Also, you'll notice many people who have worked on the App kit, have released, or is working on, more apps for it. The platform is simple and straight forward. And easy.

Let's move on. No windows, no minimization system, and really simple. The design is really, not planned out very well. Minimal space for windows, not a very good desktop.

Please note that the iSyn isn't supposed to be a computer simulation; it's just an OS. It's like some one saying "OMG THE DSi DOESN'T HAVE WINDOWS!!! OMGZFDSOJFOSDNF"

My aim for the iSyn was amke something simple, that works better than anything else of it's kind.

Let's take a look at a comparison table between iSyn, Sangle and Xeno9.

http://i33.tinypic.com/23mq72r.png

dere, pwn'd. :-D

Hold on dignified, has anyone created nearly as many apps as you?

No, right? Your statistics are screwed up.

Who cares about bias? We're not talking about that.

Computer Simulation = Operating System, sorry to break it to you. If you have a computer simulation, you better make it look like an operating system.
Why are there no apps for Sangle OS? Simple, silly, I haven't released an SDK.(Which, already, is much better than yours).

Sangle OS has 3 apps, and more function that iSyn has at this point. (Without apps)

Also, on your chart, you haven't considered Sangle isn't in 2.61 yet. Its only 0.9!

Epic wallpapers? Pshh, you're kidding me? Wallpapers DON'T MATTER. If all you pay your attention to is silly "epic" wallpapers, you're clearly not thinking the right way.

At least my wallpapers don't distract people from the OS.

Your "1 step process" is a joke! People shouldn't have to rely on a single sprite to import images, music, wallpapers, etc! Let it be free and simple! They should just import a sprite, and get done with it!

Sangle OS 0.9.5 supports wallpaper importation, music importation, and picture importation, in such a simpler structure than yours. Import your sprite, and it's done!

OK, don't forget Sangle OS does support infinite accounts.

For look and feel, Syn OS is an 8.5 out of 10, it feels unbalanced, clunky, and the wallpapers are too bright. But otherwise, it's nice.

I'll make a better chart below(with no bias at all).
http://imgur.com/lyIOR.png
By the way, none of this is meant for offense(read my guide, I'm pretty sure that it could help you.)

I was trying to be constructive with my guide, but you didn't accept that. So this is going to be the last iteration of this conversation and I will delete everything except my guide(In the beginning, I wanted to state how I felt iSyn had a monopoly over something not well thought out).

Allrighty. You guys brought this onto yourselves. 

iSyn is awesome. Seriously awesome. Greatdane, where you say that wallpapers distract from the OS, they actually add to the OS. Wallpaper is a big part of the experience of a desktop. The wallpaper can set the mood. Make you feel good, or show you pictures of the beach you went to last Sunday. Why shouldn't Scratch OS wallpapers do the same?

To tell you the truth, the best SynOS was either 2 or 3.2. Seriously guys, iSyn is at the top right now, there's not denying that.

And I'm not going over to Sangle until a dev tool more powerful than the iSyn dev tool comes out. 

I'm gonna run off and build an iSyn app right now. 

what ever you really want

iCode-747 wrote:

Greatdane wrote:

08jackt wrote:

Greatdane wrote:

The 20+ apps in the apps store were made majorly by you. That completely defeats the purpose of it. After 3 weeks, a couple people tried making an app and said, "Nah, I don't like it." And, do you call THAT an app store? A couple pictures of useless icons with too long a name on the bottom.

This is where you are wrong.
9/24 apps are created by me.

I'm pretty sure that isn't even near the majority. Besides, I don't even see any apps created by other people for yours.

ALSO, th shop was opened for all scratchers. I've Put my bias towards art and stuff aside to allow the app store grow for ALL people. Also, you'll notice many people who have worked on the App kit, have released, or is working on, more apps for it. The platform is simple and straight forward. And easy.


Please note that the iSyn isn't supposed to be a computer simulation; it's just an OS. It's like some one saying "OMG THE DSi DOESN'T HAVE WINDOWS!!! OMGZFDSOJFOSDNF"

My aim for the iSyn was amke something simple, that works better than anything else of it's kind.

Let's take a look at a comparison table between iSyn, Sangle and Xeno9.

http://i33.tinypic.com/23mq72r.png

dere, pwn'd. :-D

Hold on dignified, has anyone created nearly as many apps as you?

No, right? Your statistics are screwed up.

Who cares about bias? We're not talking about that.

Computer Simulation = Operating System, sorry to break it to you. If you have a computer simulation, you better make it look like an operating system.
Why are there no apps for Sangle OS? Simple, silly, I haven't released an SDK.(Which, already, is much better than yours).

Sangle OS has 3 apps, and more function that iSyn has at this point. (Without apps)

Also, on your chart, you haven't considered Sangle isn't in 2.61 yet. Its only 0.9!

Epic wallpapers? Pshh, you're kidding me? Wallpapers DON'T MATTER. If all you pay your attention to is silly "epic" wallpapers, you're clearly not thinking the right way.

At least my wallpapers don't distract people from the OS.

Your "1 step process" is a joke! People shouldn't have to rely on a single sprite to import images, music, wallpapers, etc! Let it be free and simple! They should just import a sprite, and get done with it!

Sangle OS 0.9.5 supports wallpaper importation, music importation, and picture importation, in such a simpler structure than yours. Import your sprite, and it's done!

OK, don't forget Sangle OS does support infinite accounts.

For look and feel, Syn OS is an 8.5 out of 10, it feels unbalanced, clunky, and the wallpapers are too bright. But otherwise, it's nice.

I'll make a better chart below(with no bias at all).
http://imgur.com/lyIOR.png
By the way, none of this is meant for offense(read my guide, I'm pretty sure that it could help you.)

I was trying to be constructive with my guide, but you didn't accept that. So this is going to be the last iteration of this conversation and I will delete everything except my guide(In the beginning, I wanted to state how I felt iSyn had a monopoly over something not well thought out).

Allrighty. You guys brought this onto yourselves. 

iSyn is awesome. Seriously awesome. Greatdane, where you say that wallpapers distract from the OS, they actually add to the OS. Wallpaper is a big part of the experience of a desktop. The wallpaper can set the mood. Make you feel good, or show you pictures of the beach you went to last Sunday. Why shouldn't Scratch OS wallpapers do the same?

To tell you the truth, the best SynOS was either 2 or 3.2. Seriously guys, iSyn is at the top right now, there's not denying that.

And I'm not going over to Sangle until a dev tool more powerful than the iSyn dev tool comes out. 

I'm gonna run off and build an iSyn app right now. 

I CAN'T STAND wallpaper in Scratch OSs. I could CARE LESS whether or not it looks good. But wallpaper takes up WAY to much MEMORY. It takes FOREVER to load! For something you DON'T EVEN WANT. It doesn't add to functionality either.

Give me a solid black background. I don't care!

Greatdane, all importing in the iSyn is one step. Please edit your table.

Greatdane wrote:

Epic wallpapers? Pshh, you're kidding me? Wallpapers DON'T MATTER. If all you pay your attention to is silly "epic" wallpapers, you're clearly not thinking the right way.

That's not all I care about. I'm just acknowledging the fact that wallpapers are a part of it. Wallpapers are a part of the graphics- something which is very import to it.

Greatdane wrote:

Sangle OS has 3 apps, and more function that iSyn has at this point. (Without apps)

That's because I didn't want to have tones of apps which come with it. I wanted to people to be able to choose what apps to have- not to be forced to have ones they don't want.

So I kept the pre-installed apps to a minimum. Something which lets them play music, something which lets them view pictures, and the usual settings, about and help apps.

Greatdane wrote:

If you have a computer simulation, you better make it look like an operating system.

I don't like having to repeat myself, but I guess I'll have to- THE iSYN IS NOT A COMPUTER SIMULATION. And thus, doesn't try to replicate one. It's just an OS. No loading screen, no accounts, no fake file browsing, no fake internet. Devices such as Game consoles, mobiles and ipods all have an operating system. When's the last time you heard someone moaning about an iPod not having windows?

This is where I have to draw the line. iSyn is there to compete with the OS factor of Scratch OSs. NOT the computer simulation part. When the SynOS 6 comes out (if it ever does) then treat that as both.

Greatdane wrote:

I was trying to be constructive with my guide, but you didn't accept that.

I never the knew the guide was aimed at me. Notice how I never made a comment on it. 

dere. pwn'd.

Last edited by 08jackt (2010-08-14 00:09:53)

fg123 wrote:

  Awesome discussion eh? 

Totally! 

@08jackt: You win the MOSTEPICRANTOFTHEDECADE award! 

I'm still sticking with iSyn. 

Oh yeah-