Scratch

  Fine. Scratch it is.

EDIT: 4444th post!

Last edited by fg123 (2010-08-11 00:07:17)

well that was kind of uncalled for. i don't even get how i got pulled into this.

but-ill join the semi-bashing.    good completion we have here.

@Greatdane: iSyn works fine. Are you sure you have the latest version? v1 was a complete fail, but 2.0+ was a massive break through for me. Apps import perfectly. And to answer your question about what happens when you import to many apps: the iSyn stuffs up. I'm sure the same thing would happen to Couges.

What took you a year+ to do, took me a few months. Well, weeks really. The people on Google Wave got the early beta of v2 just weeks after v1 was released. Sure, the iSyn doesn't have windows and is really simply programmed, but what have I got to show for it?

THE single most success app store on scratch. Xeno 8 supposedly supported apps, yet I'm yet to find one...even a broken one. The SynWare store already features 20+ apps and it's only been around for about 3 weeks.

dere. 

08jackt wrote:

well that was kind of uncalled for. i don't even get how i got pulled into this.

but-ill join the semi-bashing.    good completion we have here.

@Greatdane: iSyn works fine. Are you sure you have the latest version? v1 was a complete fail, but 2.0+ was a massive break through for me. Apps import perfectly. And to answer your question about what happens when you import to many apps: the iSyn stuffs up. I'm sure the same thing would happen to Couges.

What took you a year+ to do, took me a few months. Well, weeks really. The people on Google Wave got the early beta of v2 just weeks after v1 was released. Sure, the iSyn doesn't have windows and is really simply programmed, but what have I got to show for it?

THE single most success app store on scratch. Xeno 8 supposedly supported apps, yet I'm yet to find one...even a broken one. The SynWare store already features 20+ apps and it's only been around for about 3 weeks.

dere. 

Pfff. Photon will rule the world!!!!!!!!!! XD

fg123 wrote:

Oh. About that. 

Yes...?

{SuperRant}

Seriously though, I’ve spent hours thinking about this.

-Scratch OS 1.0- [The beginning]

When the first Scratch OSs came out, they were little more than a startup screen, a desktop, a few “apps” and some other things, such as the ability to change the desktop wallpaper. That was really it. The first Scratch OSs weren’t that powerful, either. There was no multiple accounts or password changing, or really much of anything. Just... Well... Like MS-DOS, with graphics. It was really a one-way experience. No making things, deleting things, or anything else. One might spend, at a maximum, around 30 seconds using a Scratch OS of the 1.0 type. But these weren’t all rubbish. They paved the way for better menus, more applications, and much more customizability.

-Scratch OS 2.0- [Improvements]

With the advent of the [ask(QUESTION)and wait] block, accounts could be created. The OSs at this stage had a login window where you could input a username and password, and added many more features. A very good example of this kind of OS would be the first betas of sangle. They were faster, neater, yet packed with many more features than the 1.0 OSs. You start seeing more creative menu types, and some pretty cool apps. The complaints about low graphic quality in 1.0 OSs prompted the makers of 2.0 OSs to really bump up graphic quality and color matching, creativity, etc. With the user in mind, many users’ OSs were front-paged.These truly ushered in the next generation of Scratch OSs, 3.0

-Scratch OS 3.0- [The Golden Age of Scratch OSs]

After seeing the successes of many Scratch 2.0 OSs, many Scratchers Decided to make their own. It was in these times when many famous OSs flourished, such as Xenotype with version 7, and the famous SynOS, versions 3.2, and version 4.1. Sangle entered a new age with the release of version 0.8, with powerful multitasking capabilities. But this age wasn’t so golden. While many people spend a lot of time to develop a quality OS, others whipped up a few graphics, did a tiny bit of programming, and released it as an OS. Scratch Operating Systems soon got a different face, but, towards to the end of this age, SynOS ={V}= was released, the last version of the SynOS. Learning from the mistakes of the Golden Age, Scratch OS 4.0 was designed.

-Scratch OS 4.0- [Third-party applications]

Sangle was the first. Then came Xenotype, then iSyn2. All of these Scratch OSs supported third-party applications. Greatdane, the maker of Sangle, claims that he was the first to come up with importing apps for Scratch OSs, although this is widely disputed. These OSs were designed with few built-in applications (or even none, in the case of Xenotype 8), and the makers uploaded another project, that developers could add graphics to, program, etc. The project could be imported as an ‘app’ to any of the OSs. At this point, iSyn has been the most successful, with well over 20 apps and growing in the SynWare store. Most future OSs will most likely have he ability to import these third-party apps as a very powerful feature. This has been considered a big leap in OS designing, as anybody can now create applications for all the other users of that particular OS to use.

-Scratch OS 5.0-

So.... What’s coming? What do I think is coming for future OSs? Shall we speculate?

What’s wrong with today’s OSs?

*=Will most likely come with Scratch 2.0

-Full customizability unavailable
-Third-party apps in the browser without download are impossible*
-Online account savingis impossible*
-True file browsing has still not come
-“CPU” speeds and “App CPU percentage” reading, to slow down lag if you’re running multiple apps in an OS, to know what’s slowing you down, are hard to program and have still not come yet.

What I think is coming in the next generation of Scratch OSs:

-True, multi-window, third-party-app-running multitasking
-The true emergence of 1s1s OSs
I need to go down a different rant route to talk about 1s1s Scratch OSs. I seriously doubt the survivability of OSs such as Photon in the midst of the glorifying rays of the iSyn and Xenotype 9. Unless I can truly be proved wrong, 1s1s, while being quite stupendous, will have my attention, at a maximum, for 2 minutes. While the iSyn can have it for well over 5 minutes. So I’m saying that while 1s1s OSs may be lightweight and powerful (iOS), I’m saying that they’re not a replacement of the Xenotype and iSyn standard OSs. Much like the iPad and the iPhone are not designed to replace the Mac or PC in any way. And while 1s1s OSs will still be glorified, when on the OS highway, the powerful tank that is iSyn will not only run over the skimpy car that is 1s1s, but will leave it behind in the dust.
-File Browsing
-More powerful dev tools for iSyn and Xenotype 9, more options for devvers

Ok, so here’s the wrap up: 

The next generation of OSs will not a a glory age, it will rather be the rough days. With 1s1s entering the picture, and the next generation of Xenotype under development to counter the giant iSyn, we’re going to see quite a bit of competition. Towards the end of November, 1s1s will swing into fashion, and theoretically be swept away by updates for iSyn and Xenotype. Then, next year, 1s1s and normal OSs splitting into two categories. We’re talking another glory age here, with 1s1s being the subject. Several collaborations will most likely spring up, with the objective being to create the best 1s1s OS. There will most likely be the introduction of 2 or three main players in 1s1s, brawling it out for the front page in January or February. While 1s1s may be ruling the front-page, Xenotype will probably see another update in the spring of 2011, and the iSyn 3 may come out to counter it. 1s1s may be dead by Late March 2011. Or slightly later. After, as I said before, two or three 1s1s OSs will have enough views and love-its, most likely, for the owners to make new versions. The 1s1s legacy will continue, but will not be considered in competition with the major OSs.

And, so that we can see what we have in the market currently...

Three main OSs

iSyn 2.51: Windows 7

Xenotype 8: MacOSX 10.4.11, older version of Mac OS X

Sangle: Linux 2.6.0

Three main 1s1s OSs (projected)

Photon: iOS (Only in beta form)

[Unknown Name]: Android 1.2

[Unknown Name]: Windows Mobile, eventually loses to the above


Thank you very much for reading. 

If you find any errors, please let me know ASAP. 

NOTE: Much of this data is projected and subject to change. Much is also speculation. Please do not base any solid data on what I have written here.

Copyright iCode-747, 2010

My rant pwns you all!        

Last edited by iCode-747 (2010-08-11 19:48:15)

fg123 wrote:

1. WOW. This got buried, so I wanted to bump it up , and I noticed your awesome inspiring rant. An guess what? Xenotype 9, WILL HAVE FILE BROWSING! I HOPE! 

I've attempted it. Greatdane's attempted it. If you ever need any help, just let me know, I consider myself an expert on Scratch OS File Browsing. xD

bump

Okay. You have skype or something? Tell me there.

Yay! Photon got included in iCode's rant!
Just thought I'd let you know that decent 1 sprite 1 script OSs probably won't appear anytime soon. Even Photon won't be 1s 1s.

We've kept it that way so far because that is THE MOST EFFICIENT way to code, and Scratch runs much faster that way. But practically, there is no way we could include all of Photon's scripts in one sprite. It just wouldn't be sensible.

By the way, I just wanted to point out that Photon will be -Scratch OS 10.0-

It's going to be MUCH MORE advanced than anything you've seen before. And it's going to be more powerful too, since we don't code apps in sprites. We code apps in lists. 

Once again, I must say that I don't know why you are bothering continuing Xenotype.

"Why create your own project when you know it's going to GET CRUSHED by Prism?" 

Great guide! 

shadow_7283 wrote:

Once again, I must say that I don't know why you are bothering continuing Xenotype.

"Why create your own project when you know it's going to GET CRUSHED by Prism?" 

Seriously?

Anyway...

Must... Make... Rant... Longer... Than... Greatdane's! 0_o