Scratch

majormax · 2010-08-06 17:36:18

Okay, I tried posting this in the Can I do ______ with Scratch? topic, but I still haven't gotten a reply. So I'm gonna try here.
I was wondering if you could edit the source code of a mod (Panther) so it runs in presentation mode and boots a project on start, and closes when you exit presentation mode. After you do that could you sell the project? (In that state, where you can't edit it.)
-majormax
P.S. I'm using my DSi so I was able to do the £ and € signs.

AtomicBawm3 · 2010-08-06 17:50:38

You can't sell a Scratch Project because it's really not yours. Maybe you coded it, but the program that provided for you did it really.

Harakou · 2010-08-06 18:03:34

AtomicBawm3 is right; you can't sell a project you made with Scratch. There are options like Jen's Scratch to Exe that let you open a Scratch project in presentation mode with an exe file, but you can't make it close when you leave presentation mode.

coolstuff · 2010-08-06 21:00:34

Yeah, I'm with the above posters - you can't sell a project created with Scratch, or with a variant of Scratch. It's all in the license smile

Ace-of-Spades · 2010-08-06 23:28:02

If you made a program from scratch that was like Scratch (work with me here) using Squeak, and you made a large game in it, could you be able to sell it?

AtomicBawm3 · 2010-08-06 23:58:17

Only if you made it from scratch, not from Scratch. Lol.

JeanTheFox · 2010-08-07 00:01:17

I don't think you can sell a game that was made with Scratch smile

murpho · 2010-08-07 00:26:37

Scratch is open sourced. Meaning you cant

Ace-of-Spades · 2010-08-07 02:56:14

AtomicBawm3 wrote:
Only if you made it from scratch, not from Scratch. Lol.

Can a moderator or Scratch Team member clarify this or something

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AtomicBawm3 · 2010-08-07 07:32:03

I meanness literally on your own versus basing it off and using the code from.

coolstuff · 2010-08-07 12:39:16

Ace-of-Spades wrote:
AtomicBawm3 wrote:
Only if you made it from scratch, not from Scratch. Lol.
Can a moderator or Scratch Team member clarify this or something

I'm not a member of the Scratch Team, but from what I understand, Scratch modifications must be released under the same license as the Scratch program itself, meaning you can't sell a project made in Panther or anything.

Unless you made a near-replica of Scratch from scratch and then modified that, you're not going to be able to sell a project - and the near-replica might get MIT a little upset.

LS97 · 2010-08-07 14:37:31

if you make a game in SQUEAK (not scratch), it's under the squeak license.
what i understand from that license you can sell it, but you'll have to take away the Apple bits. AND you would have no copyright rights (yet another word jumble...) so anyone could entirely copy your software and sell it (maybe even making more money than you).

one thing you CAN do for sure is re-write SQUEAK itself (veeery hard) in smalltalk, THEN sell it (copyright it first smile . the same goes for c, c++, and many more.

a general suggestion though, if you are planning to sell something not coded in absolute 1s and 0s, READ THE LICENSE CAREFULLY (even that of the software you used to create the binary if you used one).
of course, if you actually DID sit there typing 1s and 0s, amazing. i wouldn't have the partience.

bbbeb · 2010-08-08 00:04:20

really? 1s and 0s?
U dont need to use 1s and 0s to make a game lol.

Harakou · 2010-08-08 00:30:53

bbbeb wrote:
really? 1s and 0s?
U dont need to use 1s and 0s to make a game lol.

He's talking about if you were to write a program in raw binary. (Talk about low-level programming, eh? big_smile ) Totally unnecessary, yes, but it can be done.

bbbeb · 2010-08-08 00:34:08

Lol.
Unneccesary. This isnt the 1940s. When Pacman was made (cry about Namco pacman event)

Harakou · 2010-08-08 00:39:59

No kidding. He was just making a point.

LS97 · 2010-08-08 05:17:20

Harakou wrote:
bbbeb wrote:
really? 1s and 0s?
U dont need to use 1s and 0s to make a game lol.
He's talking about if you were to write a program in raw binary. (Talk about low-level programming, eh? ) Totally unnecessary, yes, but it can be done.

lol! raw binary is even worse than assembly (which i'm not even going into)

HD123 · 2010-08-08 07:05:29

I don't think anyone needs to sell a Scratch Project anyway...

LS97 · 2010-08-08 07:17:37

why not? if thatperson is n experienced scratcher, they could have possibly made a game or other project of the same quality of some paying games smile

LS97 · 2010-08-09 13:57:37

besides, that wasnt my point

majormax · 2010-08-09 16:23:41

HD123 wrote:
I don't think anyone needs to sell a Scratch Project anyway...

If it's good, you could make a lot of money.

Harakou · 2010-08-09 16:28:50

majormax wrote:
HD123 wrote:
I don't think anyone needs to sell a Scratch Project anyway...
If it's good, you could make a lot of money.

Not likely. Let's face it, nothing made in Scratch can really rival more professional games unless it's really unique. Either way, one copy gets sold, and with no protection, people can just pirate away.

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LS97 · 2010-08-10 02:52:59

@hakarou:

what you just said is true because of the license - if we didn't have such a restricted license for both scratch and squeak, it would be great.

(of course i know that because of the cc and blah-di-blah...)

juststickman · 2010-08-10 04:59:54

majormax wrote:
HD123 wrote:
I don't think anyone needs to sell a Scratch Project anyway...
If it's good, you could make a lot of money.

Whatever you make in scratch can be made better in other programming languages...

majormax · 2010-08-10 14:04:00

Harakou wrote:
majormax wrote:
HD123 wrote:
I don't think anyone needs to sell a Scratch Project anyway...
If it's good, you could make a lot of money.
Not likely. Let's face it, nothing made in Scratch can really rival more professional games unless it's really unique. Either way, one copy gets sold, and with no protection, people can just pirate away.

You could sell a few copies at a garage sale for a few bucks. Or you could do a "game stand".

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