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#26 2010-08-01 02:06:14

Locomule
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Re: Plagarism

I certainly sympathize with your view, and I'm sure most people feel similarly. And please don't think I'm trying to persuade anyone to change their mind! We just have different goals and expectations.
What you see as a serious problem that must be stopped, I see as a necessary and minor evil to be expected due to Scratch's grand vision of sharing scripts in a community-based learning environment. Just because someone wants to fake my "skills" doesn't mean I have to empower their egos by engaging them on their terms. All they want is attention so it is the last thing I will give them. And they are only cheating themselves in the long run.
Scratch could have been made so that all code is private but there is a major reason they didn't. And that reason is more important to me than whether or not I get the fame that so many people around here seem to crave. But again, that is just my opinion and I could always be wrong about anything.


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#27 2010-08-01 14:43:22

Harakou
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Registered: 2009-10-11
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Re: Plagarism

Locomule wrote:

I certainly sympathize with your view, and I'm sure most people feel similarly. And please don't think I'm trying to persuade anyone to change their mind! We just have different goals and expectations.
What you see as a serious problem that must be stopped, I see as a necessary and minor evil to be expected due to Scratch's grand vision of sharing scripts in a community-based learning environment. Just because someone wants to fake my "skills" doesn't mean I have to empower their egos by engaging them on their terms. All they want is attention so it is the last thing I will give them. And they are only cheating themselves in the long run.
Scratch could have been made so that all code is private but there is a major reason they didn't. And that reason is more important to me than whether or not I get the fame that so many people around here seem to crave. But again, that is just my opinion and I could always be wrong about anything.

While this is true, ignoring a copied project only serves to give the Scratcher who did it (who may be young) the idea that it is ok. Being mean about it isn't necessary, but plagiarism is something we want to discourage, as it could cause the aforementioned Scratcher to do the same with more serious things.


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#28 2010-08-02 05:52:07

helltank
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Registered: 2010-05-21
Posts: 1000+

Re: Plagarism

If someone copied my project, I would tell the guy to essentially [removed] off, but in a polite way of course. If he doesn't listen, I'll tell him I'm flagging. If he ignores or deletes, I flag. If that doesn't work, I use the Contact Us link. If nothing on Earth works, I rip off his best project in revenge. In other words, the ol' "If I'm going down, you're going with me, sucker!" (Note: I do not know whether "Sucker" is rude...)


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#29 2010-08-02 11:16:07

Harakou
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Re: Plagarism

helltank wrote:

If someone copied my project, I would tell the guy to essentially [removed] off, but in a polite way of course. If he doesn't listen, I'll tell him I'm flagging. If he ignores or deletes, I flag. If that doesn't work, I use the Contact Us link. If nothing on Earth works, I rip off his best project in revenge. In other words, the ol' "If I'm going down, you're going with me, sucker!" (Note: I do not know whether "Sucker" is rude...)

I'd recommend all of that, except for the last one. "Returning the favor" wouldn't do you any good, and could get you in trouble.


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#30 2010-08-04 05:42:51

helltank
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Re: Plagarism

Fine. I republish the project that was ripp'd off


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#31 2010-08-04 14:24:59

Ace-of-Spades
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Registered: 2010-01-08
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Re: Plagarism

helltank wrote:

Fine. I republish the project that was ripp'd off

What would that do? In a case like that, the copier could say that it was you who copied him because you uploaded it after he uploaded his copy of your project.


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#32 2010-08-04 14:30:54

JeanTheFox
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Registered: 2010-06-14
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Re: Plagarism

Just flag it.  hmm  When the Scratch Team looks into it they'll know why  smile


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#33 2010-08-04 14:48:48

markyparky56
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Registered: 2008-03-20
Posts: 1000+

Re: Plagarism

JeanTheFox wrote:

Just flag it.  hmm  When the Scratch Team looks into it they'll know why  smile

I agree, don't take the law into your own hands.


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#34 2010-08-04 16:58:13

Ace-of-Spades
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Re: Plagarism

markyparky56 wrote:

JeanTheFox wrote:

Just flag it.  hmm  When the Scratch Team looks into it they'll know why  smile

I agree, don't take the law into your own hands.

Republishing the project isn't really taking the law into your own hands.. neither is copying their project actually.


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#35 2010-08-04 16:59:40

markyparky56
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Registered: 2008-03-20
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Re: Plagarism

Ace-of-Spades wrote:

markyparky56 wrote:

JeanTheFox wrote:

Just flag it.  hmm  When the Scratch Team looks into it they'll know why  smile

I agree, don't take the law into your own hands.

Republishing the project isn't really taking the law into your own hands.. neither is copying their project actually.

I wasn't meaning the republishing bit, I was meaning the one about shounting at them and stuff.


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#36 2010-08-04 18:26:17

Ace-of-Spades
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Re: Plagarism

Well that would be rude, but unless they took it to the extremes it wouldn't really be against the rules.


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#37 2010-08-05 06:06:54

markyparky56
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Registered: 2008-03-20
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Re: Plagarism

Ace-of-Spades wrote:

Well that would be rude, but unless they took it to the extremes it wouldn't really be against the rules.

But un needed, thats what the flag button is there for.


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#38 2010-08-05 13:16:23

Greatdane
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Registered: 2007-06-05
Posts: 1000+

Re: Plagarism

I'd like to close this topic, it has run its course and several people are now arguing about the ethnicity of copying or whatever(I don't care) so close it please.


The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.
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#39 2010-08-05 13:21:54

Wolfie1996
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Registered: 2009-07-08
Posts: 1000+

Re: Plagarism

Closing by request of topic owner  smile


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