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#1 2010-08-02 21:39:15

frog2132
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WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

[spoiler]Did you see the Slashdot article on how a kid got in trouble for duplicating Pac-Man in Scratch??? [phrase removed by moderator]? [/spoiler]

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#2 2010-08-03 01:44:10

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

frog2132 wrote:

[spoiler]Did you see the Slashdot article on how a kid got in trouble for duplicating Pac-Man in Scratch??? [removed]? [/spoiler]

What happened?

(Your post doesn't belong in this topic  wink )

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#3 2010-08-03 02:02:32

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

hey frog2132, I created a new topic for you. If you want the subject line changed to something else, just click the report link in your post and leave a comment so the mods can follow up on it.  smile

Jonathanpb wrote:

frog2132 wrote:

[spoiler]Did you see the Slashdot article on how a kid got in trouble for duplicating Pac-Man in Scratch??? [removed]? [/spoiler]

What happened?

(Your post doesn't belong in this topic  wink )

You can read the full details here: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201007 … 0430.shtml

I have to say, this one is a pretty sad case here, Namco asking a project to be taken down despite the project being used for educational and learning purposes.  sad

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#4 2010-08-03 02:20:50

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

*reads article*  mad


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#5 2010-08-03 02:33:17

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

NOOOOOOOOO

Prism was going to make Pacman! We were almost done! All for nothing!  yikes   yikes   yikes


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#6 2010-08-03 02:40:48

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

Jonathanpb wrote:

NOOOOOOOOO

Prism was going to make Pacman! We were almost done! All for nothing!  yikes   yikes   yikes

I say release it anyway! I still wanna see it... at least before it gets destroyed by Namco Bandai!  tongue


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#7 2010-08-03 02:41:37

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

cheddargirl wrote:

Jonathanpb wrote:

NOOOOOOOOO

Prism was going to make Pacman! We were almost done! All for nothing!  yikes   yikes   yikes

I say release it anyway! I still wanna see it... at least before it gets destroyed by Namco Bandai!  tongue

Maybe we could finish it and give it to you privately... heh, I doubt they'll be bothered finishing it now.  tongue


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#8 2010-08-03 02:46:20

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

Jonathanpb wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

Jonathanpb wrote:

NOOOOOOOOO

Prism was going to make Pacman! We were almost done! All for nothing!  yikes   yikes   yikes

I say release it anyway! I still wanna see it... at least before it gets destroyed by Namco Bandai!  tongue

Maybe we could finish it and give it to you privately... heh, I doubt they'll be bothered finishing it now.  tongue

Or you could try getting around the copyright law [that has lost its rationale. Boo!] by renaming it "Scratch-Man" and making the the chomping circular character orange with ears and changing all the ghosts into Gobos.  tongue


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#9 2010-08-03 02:49:34

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

cheddargirl wrote:

Jonathanpb wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:


I say release it anyway! I still wanna see it... at least before it gets destroyed by Namco Bandai!  tongue

Maybe we could finish it and give it to you privately... heh, I doubt they'll be bothered finishing it now.  tongue

Or you could try getting around the copyright law [that has lost its rationale. Boo!] by renaming it "Scratch-Man" and making the the chomping circular character orange with ears and changing all the ghosts into Gobos.  tongue

That would be cool, but it wouldn't be the same... ^_^

Maybe if we got permission from Namco...? I doubt they'd let us though.  sad


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#10 2010-08-03 02:56:43

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

Jonathanpb wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

Jonathanpb wrote:


Maybe we could finish it and give it to you privately... heh, I doubt they'll be bothered finishing it now.  tongue

Or you could try getting around the copyright law [that has lost its rationale. Boo!] by renaming it "Scratch-Man" and making the the chomping circular character orange with ears and changing all the ghosts into Gobos.  tongue

That would be cool, but it wouldn't be the same... ^_^

Maybe if we got permission from Namco...? I doubt they'd let us though.  sad

Who knows?

This has got to be one of the more stranger cases of copyright law I've ever seen, though. The rationale of US copyright law is that it is supposed to help protect creations, but there is also a "Fair Use" clause, which [I thought!] is supposed to protect Scratch projects because Scratch projects are posted on the website with educational purposes in mind.

Not quite sure on what legal grounds Namco Bandai has on trying to get the project removed from the website, but it otherwise seems to be a blatant case of ignoring the Fair Use clause.  sad


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#11 2010-08-03 02:58:49

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

cheddargirl wrote:

Jonathanpb wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:


Or you could try getting around the copyright law [that has lost its rationale. Boo!] by renaming it "Scratch-Man" and making the the chomping circular character orange with ears and changing all the ghosts into Gobos.  tongue

That would be cool, but it wouldn't be the same... ^_^

Maybe if we got permission from Namco...? I doubt they'd let us though.  sad

Who knows?

This has got to be one of the more stranger cases of copyright law I've ever seen, though. The rationale of US copyright law is that it is supposed to help protect creations, but there is also a "Fair Use" clause, which [I thought!] is supposed to protect Scratch projects because Scratch projects are posted on the website with educational purposes in mind.

Not quite sure on what legal grounds Namco Bandai has on trying to get the project removed from the website, but it otherwise seems to be a blatant case of ignoring the Fair Use clause.  sad

If only someone could point that out to Namco.  tongue
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What'll happen to other projects that are copied from real games? Hope it doesn't happen to them... it'd be a shame if Scratchers couldn't replicate arcade games and such.  neutral


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#12 2010-08-03 03:04:41

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

I saw this when I went to Andres' site, the first one in his signature
I had a good laugh about it


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#13 2010-08-03 03:25:19

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

Well seeing how Namco has no right to do this under the license Scratch is under, this is illegal. Whoever made the project has the right to sue them in court.

DO IT

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#14 2010-08-03 03:30:21

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

I was always hoping this wouldn't happen. Time to scrap galaga.


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#15 2010-08-03 09:36:29

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

That's just ridiculous.  yikes

Namco, you just lost one customer.

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#16 2010-08-03 09:51:49

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

What on Earth... I'm speechless. How could they do such a thing?


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#17 2010-08-03 10:06:16

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

That's awful. What ever happened to fair use?


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#18 2010-08-03 10:07:09

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

Harakou wrote:

That's awful. What ever happened to fair use?

floatingmagictree wrote:

Well seeing how Namco has no right to do this under the license Scratch is under, this is illegal. Whoever made the project has the right to sue them in court.

DO IT

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#19 2010-08-03 10:10:27

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

floatingmagictree wrote:

Harakou wrote:

That's awful. What ever happened to fair use?

floatingmagictree wrote:

Well seeing how Namco has no right to do this under the license Scratch is under, this is illegal. Whoever made the project has the right to sue them in court.

DO IT

Yes, I read that... I was making a point.  hmm


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#20 2010-08-03 10:14:30

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

We have to make a pacman game in a class for Scratch D:


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#21 2010-08-03 11:11:11

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

floatingmagictree wrote:

Harakou wrote:

That's awful. What ever happened to fair use?

floatingmagictree wrote:

Well seeing how Namco has no right to do this under the license Scratch is under, this is illegal. Whoever made the project has the right to sue them in court.

DO IT

QFT

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#22 2010-08-03 11:25:03

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

That's terrible. I say we all create Namco game rip-offs just to spite them  tongue


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#23 2010-08-03 11:26:12

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

Does Namco realize that a KID made it?? There's no way that they were going to get it completely right, like the sounds, the motion of Pacman, and the AI of the ghosts. Also, the Scratch project doesn't evade copyright because it is completely editable! It's not like you can take the Scratch code and re-create a real Pacman console. One last thing, if anything, this should make Namco happy, because it shows that some people still have enthusiasm in their long-lost game.

EDIT: You never see Nintendo getting mad about all the Mario projects!

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#24 2010-08-03 11:32:22

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

It's supposed to be allowed for educational use though...

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#25 2010-08-03 11:33:29

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Re: WHAT?! Namco demands removal of Pac-Man game from Scratch Website?!!

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

That's terrible. I say we all create Namco game rip-offs just to spite them  tongue

LOL.

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