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#1 2010-08-02 17:22:44

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Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

Will I be flagged for making a point n' click adventure in which the communists are the bad guys?

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#2 2010-08-02 17:27:33

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

If you make a project that appears to be attacking a certain group of people, no matter what, it's bound to get flagged.


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#3 2010-08-02 17:30:53

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

rufflebee wrote:

If you make a project that appears to be attacking a certain group of people, no matter what, it's bound to get flagged.

What if I changed the names and exaggerated a bit?


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#4 2010-08-02 17:33:41

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

You say true light, then you say bad guys. You shouldn't make this project because you have already demonstrated how biased you are towards them.


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#5 2010-08-02 17:48:28

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

Blade-Edge wrote:

You say true light, then you say bad guys. You shouldn't make this project because you have already demonstrated how biased you are towards them.

So it is against the rules to create a project biased towards a certain group of individuals, then?


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#6 2010-08-02 18:00:54

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

Whether the people are bad or not, (But I'm not saying they are, and I'm not saying they aren't. This is Scratch, not a political rally.) if the project is ATTACKING them, it is going to get flagged.


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#7 2010-08-02 18:02:48

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

rufflebee wrote:

Whether the people are bad or not, (But I'm not saying they are, and I'm not saying they aren't. This is Scratch, not a political rally.) if the project is ATTACKING them, it is going to get flagged.

Alright, that's the answer I needed. Thanks  smile . But once more, if I change names and exaggerate, will it still be flagged?


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#8 2010-08-02 18:31:42

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

What an interesting question!  Making any project portraying a group as "bad" is almost certainly going to offend members of that group. 

However, people might find it not offensive (or not AS offensive) if you base it around historical events and explain that it is based on viewpoints widely held at that time in history.  For instance, if I made a game about the American revolution and had the "bad" guys being the British, would people find that offensive?  Let's ask our friends from the UK....any takers?


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#9 2010-08-02 18:49:43

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

I lived in the UK for a few years.. though I am in North America now...
It probably wouldn't be offensive. I am actually not sure. It doesn't really represent British people as a whole so it could be that it offends noone?


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#10 2010-08-02 18:51:01

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

Maybe...

I'm making a game where the communists are the good guys...  hmm

I think it's ok, as long as you aren't disrespectful.  big_smile


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#11 2010-08-02 18:51:20

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

Paddle2See wrote:

What an interesting question!  Making any project portraying a group as "bad" is almost certainly going to offend members of that group. 

However, people might find it not offensive (or not AS offensive) if you base it around historical events and explain that it is based on viewpoints widely held at that time in history.  For instance, if I made a game about the American revolution and had the "bad" guys being the British, would people find that offensive?  Let's ask our friends from the UK....any takers?

I see what you mean. The story I was thinking of using for the point and click adventure was something from 'I Was a Communist for the FBI'- a radio show from the 1940's based on a true story about a man named Matt Cvetic who worked as an undercover agent that had infiltrated the communist party and informed the FBI of the illegal happenings that went on behind the scenes. I'm not talking about writing an essay on why communism is bad, but more of a point and click adventure in which you play as Matt Cvetic and stuffz.

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iCode-747 wrote:

Maybe...

I'm making a game where the communists are the good guys...  hmm

I think it's ok, as long as you aren't disrespectful.  big_smile

Really? What's the story in it?

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#12 2010-08-02 18:55:17

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

If you changed the name, and the meaning of the group, it wouldn't be offensive because it would be made up. But in general it is not a good idea to portray real-life groups as "bad".


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#13 2010-08-02 19:18:55

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

What if she was portraying Terrorists as the bad guys?


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#14 2010-08-02 19:26:36

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

Ace-of-Spades wrote:

What if she was portraying Terrorists as the bad guys?

He.


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#15 2010-08-02 19:40:06

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

My bad  big_smile


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#16 2010-08-02 19:44:56

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

Hur hmm, it depends. Probably, it could hurt some people  hmm  Plus, isn't that biased and rude? >.>


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#17 2010-08-02 19:48:22

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

littletonkslover wrote:

Hur hmm, it depends. Probably, it could hurt some people  hmm  Plus, isn't that biased and rude? >.>

Read the rest of the thread and see what the story I'm talking about is like.


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#18 2010-08-02 19:53:41

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

There is much to gained from this discussion besides what is proper for Scratch! In my opinion, everything is relative to your particular perspective. Grok and roll!


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#19 2010-08-02 19:57:35

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

littletonkslover wrote:

Hur hmm, it depends. Probably, it could hurt some people  hmm  Plus, isn't that biased and rude? >.>

Read the rest of the thread and see what the story I'm talking about is like.

Hm, I don't think you should do communists in particular. Communism in theory is not a bad idea for many countries, and a lot of Communists are good people, it just didn't work out. Maybe taking some figures from Communist history?

(ex Stalin)


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#20 2010-08-02 20:09:30

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

Sunrise-Moon wrote:

littletonkslover wrote:

Sunrise-Moon wrote:


Read the rest of the thread and see what the story I'm talking about is like.

Hm, I don't think you should do communists in particular. Communism in theory is not a bad idea for many countries, and a lot of Communists are good people, it just didn't work out. Maybe taking some figures from Communist history?

(ex Stalin)

*attempts to steer away from political debate* So you're saying I should target more people ( tongue  sorry, you said 'in particular'), or, that I should make a new, non-existent party for my game?

I wasn't talking about General people. It's like saying.

"The Germans weren't bad, the Naxis where."

Better idea, yes. My approach to the Communism thing is remotely similar.


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#21 2010-08-02 20:24:04

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

littletonkslover wrote:

*politics aren't allowed*

This is true. Let's both delete last few posts.


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#22 2010-08-02 20:36:51

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

littletonkslover wrote:

^_^ It still doesn't make Communists any worse.

That's exactly why politics aren't allowed, because there are a lot of different opinions about it.

(Not saying I don't agree with you)


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#23 2010-08-03 02:27:17

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

Either way, it's a tough choice. If you support communism, you're like Stalin, and if you're anti, you're like Mussolini. Making a project that's biased towards a group of people as the bad guys would definitely be flagged, so the only thing you can do is make it some kind of unnamed group that follows the same principals a communist would, but isn't named as a communist


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#24 2010-08-03 04:15:28

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

If your making the project especially to show your opinion against them, its bad.
If you have a fighting game and just need someone to fit into the bad guy role, its ok.

You should probably mention that in the project notes.

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#25 2010-08-03 11:30:25

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Re: Will I be Flagged for Portraying Communism as Bad?

Blade-Edge wrote:

Either way, it's a tough choice. If you support communism, you're like Stalin, and if you're anti, you're like Mussolini. Making a project that's biased towards a group of people as the bad guys would definitely be flagged, so the only thing you can do is make it some kind of unnamed group that follows the same principals a communist would, but isn't named as a communist

That's what I was thinking of, and what I'll probably end up doing.

colorfusion wrote:

If your making the project especially to show your opinion against them, its bad.
If you have a fighting game and just need someone to fit into the bad guy role, its ok.

You should probably mention that in the project notes.

That doesn't necessarily make it bad, but yeah, that's not what I'm doing. I'm making a point and click adventure based on a true story about how a man worked as an informant for the FBI that had infiltrated the communist party. It was turned into a fictionalized radio show in the 1940's- I Was a Communist for the FBI. The whole thing is sort of about the illegal things they were doing, so it's still a bit like writing an essay against communism.


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