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bharvey wrote:

shadow_7283 wrote:

Do you have access to a Windows computer?

Yes, it runs XP.  Which flavor of Windows are you?  Tnx.

Windows 7. How you live with XP I do not know. 

shadow_7283 wrote:

Windows 7. How you live with XP I do not know. 

I'll let Jens look into this, then; he has a Windows 7 box.

I asked our sysadmins about switching to Windows 7 and they strongly advised me against it on the grounds that it's a big resource hog and would probably make my PC sluggish.  (It's a few years old.)  But the real answer is that I don't live with XP.  I don't see how you live with Windows period!  The machine I use for real work and for handling email and stuff runs Linux, and the machine I keep at home runs MacOS.  I have this little PC laptop that boots Linux when I take it to a conference but when it's sitting next to my real computer I let it run Windows just so I can check out whether BYOB and Berkeley Logo work.  But far be it from me to start a flame war.  Shadow started it! Blame him! 

Ugh. Should I give you the argument I gave The-Whiz against Macs? Would you like to here it?

One thing though - about the green flag, red stop button, and the orange pause button.

Also the colors match, the meanings don't. Although green normally means go, like in real life, and red means stop, like in real life, orange means slow down - which isn't exactly what a pause button is...

I think it should be a grey like before, but a little lighter.

Shadow, your signature is taller than the limit 

shadow_7283 wrote:

The OS doesn't have much to do with speed.

Much of this is just a matter of taste.  And personal needs: I'm not a gamer, which makes the biggest pro-Windows argument not apply to me, but I am a developer, and I really like having a Windows window and a Linux window available on my Mac!

But the quote above is just plain wrong.  Just try running XP and W7 on the same computer, to get the pro- and anti-OS biases out of it.

Basically, there's this race going on, between the hardware developers, who make computers exponentially faster, and the software developers, who make the software exponentially more bloated.  In my experience the software people are "winning" -- that is, my subjective experience of computer speed has been getting consistently worse, not better, for five decades now.  What I get for this is stuff like the ability to watch movies; again I guess it's a matter of taste whether you like this tradeoff.

Lucario621 wrote:

One thing though - about the green flag, red stop button, and the orange pause button.

Also the colors match, the meanings don't. Although green normally means go, like in real life, and red means stop, like in real life, orange means slow down - which isn't exactly what a pause button is...

I think it should be a grey like before, but a little lighter.

Hmm.  In Audacity, Pause is blue, and stop is yellow!

Real Player does it the way BYOB does.

Everything else I've tried seems to be all black and white (or, you know, shiny silver and dull silver or something).

Other opinions?

shadow_7283 wrote:

I guess that's true.

Sure.  I'm a teacher -- I'm always right.     (And my inner child is quite close to the surface.)

bharvey wrote:

shadow_7283 wrote:

I guess that's true.

Sure.  I'm a teacher -- I'm always right. 

Lucario621 wrote:

O RLY?

No, actually I'm flying into CDG. 

shadow_7283 wrote:

Alright, here is the argument against Macs.

Some background info:
We want to use Hamachi for a Prism project, but Hamachi is only for Windows. fg123 tells The-Whiz to use a program called Wine to run it. The-Whiz begins...

The-Whiz wrote:

No thanks, I don't want to increase my chance of getting a Virus by downloading WIndows applications.

Shadow_7283 wrote:

Don't go dissing PCs. fg123 gave you an option, and you didn't want to take it. So that doesn't mean we can't develop it.

The-Whiz wrote:

I'll diss PCs all I want.

Shadow_7283 wrote:

Doesn't change the fact that Macs are rip-off overpriced computers that don't deserve to be looked at, much less bought.

The-Whiz wrote:

At least Apple has SOME sense of design, unlike all the Windows computers I've seen that are made with pointy angles and look like they were carved out of rock. Seriously, Windows is slow, prone to crashing, gets viruses easily, etc.

Shadow_7283 wrote:

The OS doesn't have much to do with speed. Most of the speed you get from a computer has to do with the RAM and the processor. The equivalent of a 1700$ MacBook pro (Intel Core i5 processor, 2.4 ghz; 4gb DDR3 ram; 320 gb hard drive) is a 700$ Lenovo laptop. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications … CatId=4938.
I don't care about style, just a good, reasonably priced computer.

JBENZ wrote:

(From: http://askville.amazon.com/Macs-immune- … Id=9106500)
The only reason Macs have fewer security problems is because there aren't enough of them out there to make it work the hacker's time to bother writing the code.

http://gadgetopia.com/post/6179
Macs crash too, sometimes worse than PCs.
And frankly, the software and OS for Macs can easily be replaced on the PC. So you aren't even getting that.
Summary:
MACS STINK.

Please note that I am NOT posting this to provoke a fight, just to give an example of an argument that was had and the information and opinions we shared. So don't take it personally.

Okay. Please tell me HONESTLY what is wrong with Macs. What important thing can you not do on them that you can do on a PC?

ScratchReallyROCKS wrote:

Okay. Please tell me HONESTLY what is wrong with Macs. What important thing can you not do on them that you can do on a PC?

Ah, see, Shadow, you did start a fight.     How about you guys take this outside?

SRR, I could swear there was a message here from you a minute ago saying you had an Intel-based Mac, but I can't find it any more.     If so, maybe the bug I fixed in the Mac compiler wasn't your bug, which would be upsetting.

PS Don't be defensive about the Mac.

Just like it annoys me when people say Windows and PCs are horrible.
It also bugs me when Steve Jobs releases Apple's next device that is almost the exact same as the old one with a bigger screen. Apple's "no code interpretation policy" also annoys me.
But enough of that.