Is it okay to make a project with mild cartoon violence and/or horror? I didn't know what to do... btw, if you want to know, I was thinking of a platformer starring Tails Doll
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I'm not entirely sure what Tails Doll is, but I think as long as it's quite mild it should be okay. But don't take my word for it.
As I understand it, some violence is okay, but not too much. If this horror will give people nightmares, keep away from it - actually, I would stay away from horror altogether.
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Paraphrasing what mletreat once said
You should use your judgment for this type of thing. In general, we see projects with varying degrees of violence. The Scratch community has varying degrees of tolerance. If you think the project is too violent for someone who is sensitive to violence, you may want to reconsider sharing it online, as it may get flagged and/or removed pretty quickly.
That said, many projects that include violence are not flagged or removed because they don't really bother anyone that much.
Here is a good rule of thumb: if it is violence against a person, or specific group of people, it will be more likely to be removed. If it is general violence (war games, shooter games) and does not contain blood, it generally isn't flagged and/or deleted.
Again, use your judgment. A project doesn't generally get censored, but it would if it seems particularly aggressive or offensive to the Scratch community.
On another note, I would encourage you to explore making games that are not violent -- since there are already so many war/shooter games available.
Good luck!
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Oh, okay. Btw, it will give people nightmares. If you do not believe me, search tails doll on images google. *shudders*
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Tails Doll is a horror-joke. Like, it's supposed to sound creepy, but it just ends up sounding stoop-id (yes, I know stupid is spelled stupid, but who cares?)
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If there is eccentric blood and gore, you might be reported, but If it's just kind of scary and has mild cartoon violence, you're good.
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JeanTheFox wrote:
If there is eccentric blood and gore, you might be reported, but If it's just kind of scary and has mild cartoon violence, you're good.
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Maybe you should add a sort of rating to the description of your project. Something that will warn younger users not to view it. Something like This project contains graphic violence and horror, not intended for younger users.
You still might get reported though.
I think they should add rating system on scratch.
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tom3_code wrote:
JeanTheFox wrote:
If there is eccentric blood and gore, you might be reported, but If it's just kind of scary and has mild cartoon violence, you're good.
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Maybe you should add a sort of rating to the description of your project. Something that will warn younger users not to view it. Something like This project contains graphic violence and horror, not intended for younger users.
You still might get reported though.
I think they should add rating system on scratch.![]()
If it's violent enough to warrant a warning, then you should avoid posting it on the Scratch website. Young users could still view it too easily.
A rating system (like YouTube's flag system) wouldn't be a bad idea.
"Rate project for age group: Anyone 10+ 13+"
If you're too young for the rated maturity content, you would be blocked from viewing. (All ratings would be reviewed my a mod.)
Of course, Scratch is supposed to be a kid-friendly site. All the projects should be appropriate for all ages, so maybe a rating system should be avoided.
Last edited by Harakou (2010-07-18 14:10:21)
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Harakou - that's a good idea, though it has been suggested before. I think most of the reason the Scratch Team hasn't implemented this is that all projects should be viewable by all ages. Also, it would take a while to rate every project.
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tom3_code wrote:
Maybe you should add a sort of rating to the description of your project. Something that will warn younger users not to view it. Something like This project contains graphic violence and horror, not intended for younger users.
You still might get reported though.
I think they should add rating system on scratch.![]()
I think a warning like that would make younger children want to watch/play the project even more. If something is forbidden to a group of people, wouldn't that make them want to know about it?
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If the children are being given unsupervised access to the internet and pcs, it is not Scratch's fault. Frankly, they could be finding worse stuff out there than most Scratch projects in my opinion.
A mandatory manual self-rating system is the answer. People who fail to mark their own projects accordingly get flagged, warned, then banned. Would work quickly and effectively with mods getting final say.
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Locomule wrote:
If the children are being given unsupervised access to the internet and pcs, it is not Scratch's fault. Frankly, they could be finding worse stuff out there than most Scratch projects in my opinion.
A mandatory manual self-rating system is the answer. People who fail to mark their own projects accordingly get flagged, warned, then banned. Would work quickly and effectively with mods getting final say.
Just because they have access to the Internet doesn't mean they will find that sort of thing. I want Scratch to remain safe for young kids.
The problem with having the poster of a project rate it in regards to mature content and then letting the mods review that rating is that there simply aren't enough people to review all the projects coming in daily.
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"Just because they have access to the Internet doesn't mean they will find that sort of thing." - Then why are we discussing this? If they are unsupervised enough to be viewing mature content here, they could do so elsewhere. 'Better' stuff and far easier. I want Scratch to remain safe for everyone.
It is one of the oldest debates on the net in my opinion. Cause it is not really about Scratch, or bad projects. What it is about is gathering large groups of people together virtually and then having some who break the rules to get attention. Then there are those who want to use them as an excuse to legislate their own morality. And the problem is that where I see badly drawn hamsters with machine guns blowing each other to badly drawn bits as funny, some people don't. They seem to imply that viewing such projects will eventually cause that kid to shoot hamsters with machine guns. Frankly, I'm far more scared of their logic than my own.
No, the mods don't review the ratings, only reported projects. This system is being used at other sites very nicely. Technically there would be very little different workload for the mods between that and what they do now, I think.
Last edited by Locomule (2010-07-18 23:40:39)
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Locomule wrote:
No, the mods don't review the ratings, only reported projects. This system is being used at other sites very nicely. Technically there would be very little different workload for the mods between that and what they do now, I think.
Well, the forum moderators don't review projects, so I'm just going to sum up your ideas in a hopefully correct manner: what you're suggesting is that when moderators review a flagged project, they simply give it a rating? That makes plenty of sense, and though I really have no frame of reference it doesn't seem like it would add a ridiculous amount of work to moderation. I like it!
The only issue I can see is that different moderators have different views of what is appropriate for which ages, as will the parents and kids who will end up viewing the project. So I think designating a particular age group may be somewhat difficult. In addition to that, Scratch is meant to be a completely open site to just about everyone - so barring off some areas of the site already visible by a substantial number of people may go against that philosophy.
There already is something of a rating system - of a project is deemed to not be appropriate for everyone it gets barred from the front page, but not actually deleted.
In reality, no sort of rating system is really necessary. The system we have now works just fine.
And thus concludes the longest post ever written on an iPod. That took me ten minutes at least!
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Locomule wrote:
No, the mods don't review the ratings, only reported projects. This system is being used at other sites very nicely. Technically there would be very little different workload for the mods between that and what they do now, I think.
I honestly can't think of a site where this works well. YouTube has huge problems with videos being falsely flagged by haters.
I also fear that having this self-rating system will make some Scrathers feel that they have license to post eccessively violent/vulgar projects. Do we really want that?
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No, mods would do nothing different. It would be just like handling flagged projects.
oh no no ipod typing, this issue never dies?!?!?!?! lol
Last edited by Locomule (2010-07-18 23:42:54)
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My last post on this...
Projects can already be flagged by users here.
Scratchers would set the mature or whatever setting themselves, not for each other.
Mods only get involved if someone thinks the project is rated incorrectly and flags it.
Anyone posting excessive stuff gets banned, just like now.
How would that be different from them handling flagged projects now?
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I just think he Scratch team will be opposed to any rating-type system that would, and will, ever be suggested or implemented, for reasons I mentioned before. The simple fact that kids can still view the project remains.
It's like with movie ratings. The company says "don't see the movie unless you're over 14, but 10-year-olds will continue pleading with their parents to let them see it. On a website, parents have much less control over ther kids' actions. Unless the projects are actually restricted for people under the appropriate age (such as R-rated movies) it won't be very effective. Restricting the projects is against Scratch's philosophy which has much to do with equality. Which really puts this proposal in a paradox.
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True, true. Maybe I'll change the final boss to Dr. Eggman instead (He's actually hilarious, not scary at all)
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