Scratch

Plus it isnt just cursing and racisim and all that bad stuff its little things like pointing thigs out
I gav eosme feedback on a drawing((i forget by who)) and then EVERYONE started slamming me about ti even whne i said i didnt like wolve sthe same thing happened
Bassicly you cant give feed back without fear of being flagged or mean retorts
People even comment nicely and give empty comments to pictures,that in the real world,would be constantly slammed,((i know ive printed it out and shown it at school and it was total chaos)).This is depriving kids of a real perscpective.Think about it.When there older and those people arent there or when they're signing up for an advanced art class and show their work the WILL be rejected and why?because they never got the correct criticim only emty complements

Spaghetticat wrote:

AtomicBawm3 wrote:

sanddude wrote:

No, everyone could see what's appropriate for them. Not just what's appropriate for little kids. The little kids could see what's appropriate for them, and the older scratchers wouldn't have to have their stuff censored JUST because of the little kids. That way I think that the older scratchers could be happy because they don't JUST have to see what's appropriate for the younger scratchers, and the parents of younger scratchers could be happy because their kids can't see stuff inappropriate for their age. Get it?

...if you can call any of it appropriate.  Truthfully, I don't find violence, language or anything that is considered inappropriate for younger people, appropriate for anyone.  Sure, these things are going on in the world, but does that mean it's okay to glorify them?  If we think it's not appropriate for younger people, why on earth is it appropriate for anyone?

Thats a good point however
I find if its appropriate for one its appropriate for the other((unless its like healt issuses such as.................drugs and smoking)).This isnt glorifying its now sheltering children so much that they are detached form the real world.Its like not telling children about the iraq war.Telling them is not glorifying it.....Its  opeing their eyes to the REAL world.I hate when I have to conform to some little kids mother's standards on a site.Those kinds of rules KILL SITES.Oh and with the censor thing you can visit things that are for your age group and LOWER

But doesn't that mean that if it's inappropriate for one, it's inappropriate for another and thus inappropriate for all?  And for age groups, kids can lie about their ages and nothing can be done about it.

Also, just because there is that stuff out in the world, doesn't mean it has to be on this or any site.  It is glorifying it if it isn't neccassary and is inappropriate for some.  You're talking about as though it's only bad for little kids, like you gain an immunity to this stuff or it's actually ok, but you can't know that until you're older.

You said something earlier about having a filter where people can only see projects for their age and down. There are some problems with this:
Who's going to rate them? The Scratch Team can't go through every one, there are way too many projects to do that.
If the person uploading the project rates it, are they really going to rate something with profanity 17+, or 13+? The point of uploading profanity to a kids site would be to harm the kids, IMO.
If users that viewed the project rated it, what if they were people that uploaded profanity as well? Obviously they would rate it for all ages too.

It's just san-dude and his friend against the entire team of scratch.

Here's my explanation for san-dude:

I see your point. Think about an older girl, and her little brother. The older girl can say whatever she wants, and go on whatever websites she wants. The little kid, however, is a little kid, and can't say or do innapropriate things. He finds Scratch. "An educational programming language (not a social website) for kids of all ages." He proceeds to join.

Here's what would happen if scratch had the flagging system:
The little kid would learn Scratch, interact with other friendly users, and become a little smarter from the math functions as he grows older.

Here's what would happen if the filter was turn off on his computer for the Scratch website, and the flagging system was gone:
He would learn bad words, become innapropriate, his parents would freak out, and it would all go downhill from there.

You have to just agree with the rules so the little kids can play too.

It's like going to the park, and doing innapropriate things. It's something you have to use common-courtesy with.

Plus, you shouldn't encourage swearing and innapropriate things anyways. I know that violence is a factor too, but violence has already been taken care of:
http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/Comcastc99/71491

"Here's what would happen if the filter was turn off on his computer for the Scratch website, and the flagging system was gone:
He would learn bad words, become innapropriate, his parents would freak out, and it would all go downhill from there."

Thats bassicly a WORSE case senario.I know PLENTY kids of who curse all the time and are exceptionlly smart.If their parents could DISCIPLINE OR EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO THE SITES THEIR CHILD ARE ON then maybe they wouldnt have to freak out

So what they want to post is innapropriate stuff? Is that what you're saying?

Well you're saying that some people's projects get deleted because they're innappropriate, but that's what they want to post, so why should they get deleted? Obviously, because this is a FAMILY website! There's not going to be a teen.scratch.mit.edu either, because the whole point of Scratch is to be kid-friendly, not teen-friendly! Again, what if a little kid got on the teen site by accident? If what you''re saying is that people should be able to post stuff that's innapropriate for little kids on a different site, then what's that theoretical kid going to see? Think about it.

Spaghetticat wrote:

The-Whiz wrote:

Well you're saying that some people's projects get deleted because they're innappropriate, but that's what they want to post, so why should they get deleted? Obviously, because this is a FAMILY website! There's not going to be a teen.scratch.mit.edu either, because the whole point of Scratch is to be kid-friendly, not teen-friendly! Again, what if a little kid got on the teen site by accident? If what you''re saying is that people should be able to post stuff that's innapropriate for little kids on a different site, then what's that theoretical kid going to see? Think about it.

The point of scratch is NOT to be kid friendly!!!!ITS SUPPOSED TO BE FRIENDLY AND FUN FOR EVERYONE!It cant be that way unless everyone is happy and the uner 7 years of age crowd is a MINORITY!And yes they should.You cant go to a site and join it or even click on a project to veiw it by "mistake".
More then half the people i know on scratch are 8 or above.Im 11 right now!

But friendly and fun ISN'T innapropriate stuff....

Spaghetticat wrote:

wiimaster wrote:

Spaghetticat wrote:

The point of scratch is NOT to be kid friendly!!!!ITS SUPPOSED TO BE FRIENDLY AND FUN FOR EVERYONE!It cant be that way unless everyone is happy and the uner 7 years of age crowd is a MINORITY!And yes they should.You cant go to a site and join it or even click on a project to veiw it by "mistake".
More then half the people i know on scratch are 8 or above.Im 11 right now!

But friendly and fun ISN'T innapropriate stuff....

Everyone has their own picture of "appropriate" and "innapropriate".Only using 1 goup of people point of veiw is not freindly and is unfair.

Think of it like this:

Which is worse, a older kid seeing things that are appropriate for all ages but with no innapropriate stuff, or a younger kid seeing things that are innapropriate? Hm?

So your saying, we should let younger kids see nudity, violence, rasism, sexism, homophobic content, blood and gore, swearing, and scary images and projects just because some group of fools think its fun?

If we let any Scratcher post anything 'because they want to post it' then who knows what will come up on this site! Horrible things....

If we had complete 'Freedom' on this site it would be Chaos. Literally. Innapropriate projects everywhere. Violence. Blood splats on the screen. Projects that are only just a bunch of swearwords listed (Seriously I've seen them). The forums would have no moderation and flame wars would be everywhere, beyond out control, never to die down. There would be hackings constantly. Threats constantly. People would be allowed to give away phone, email, and where they live as they please. Scratch would be paradise to hackers, spammers, trolls and fools who want to post innapropriate stuff because they think its fun.

That is not what Scratch is and never will be. So keep dreaming of 'less restrictive rules' if you want, but it will never happen.

Thanks for your time. 
                               -Wiimaster

wiimaster wrote:

Spaghetticat wrote:

wiimaster wrote:

But friendly and fun ISN'T innapropriate stuff....

Everyone has their own picture of "appropriate" and "innapropriate".Only using 1 goup of people point of veiw is not freindly and is unfair.

Think of it like this:

Which is worse, a older kid seeing things that are appropriate for all ages but with no innapropriate stuff, or a younger kid seeing things that are innapropriate? Hm?

So your saying, we should let younger kids see nudity, violence, rasism, sexism, homophobic content, blood and gore, swearing, and scary images and projects just because some group of fools think its fun?

If we let any Scratcher post anything 'because they want to post it' then who knows what will come up on this site! Horrible things....

If we had complete 'Freedom' on this site it would be Chaos. Literally. Innapropriate projects everywhere. Violence. Blood splats on the screen. Projects that are only just a bunch of swearwords listed (Seriously I've seen them). The forums would have no moderation and flame wars would be everywhere, beyond out control, never to die down. There would be hackings constantly. Threats constantly. People would be allowed to give away phone, email, and where they live as they please. Scratch would be paradise to hackers, spammers, trolls and fools who want to post innapropriate stuff because they think its fun.

That is not what Scratch is and never will be. So keep dreaming of 'less restrictive rules' if you want, but it will never happen.

Thanks for your time. 
                               -Wiimaster

First off you did another wors case scenario.You must think ALL people on scratch are COMPLETE DEMONS!!!!!!!!Nobody does all that unless they have some mental problems.And i never said NO moderation I said LIMITED moderation so that racist sexist gorey stuff would not be a problem .The homophobic comment was just mean there is NOTHING wrong withe being homosexual wich brings me back to the "innapropriate varys" comment.What does hacking have to do with less restrictive rules scratch could be hacked with the exact same rules it already had because hackers dont car ebaout rules.Less restrictive rules dont hurt anybody no rules does.

Thanks for your time. 
                               -Spaghetticat

The-Whiz wrote:

Well said, Wiimaster...

@Spaghetticat:
As you said, Scratch is supposed to be friendly and fun for everyone; but that INCLUDES KIDS! It might be friendly and fun for YOU to have inappropriate stuff up, but for little kids/their parents? NO! And maybe YOU can't go to a site by mistake, but do little kids no better? Again, NO! And if you're idea of "Friendly and Fun" is inappropriate stuff, then obviously you're not mature enough to do something like this in the first place! If everyone got what they wanted, it would be anarchy! It's freedom for you until your freedom infringes upon someone else's!

As Wiimaster said, is it better for older kids to have appropriate stuff, or littler ones to have inappropriate stuff?

BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES TEENS AND PRETEENS!!!!It's not just friendly and fun for me its friendly and fun for many people including the people who posted in favor of less harsh rules.IF SOME PEOPLE GET WHAT THEY WANT THEN OTHER PEOPLE WILL BE LEFT TO GO BY THOSE PEOPLE AND THEIR PARENTS RULES WHICH MAY CONFLICT WITH THEIR OWN PARENTS RULES!Obviously YOUR not mature enough to handle something like this in the first place judging by the fact that you obviously care about only a small percentage of scratchers!

Spaghetticat wrote:

The-Whiz wrote:

Well said, Wiimaster...

@Spaghetticat:
As you said, Scratch is supposed to be friendly and fun for everyone; but that INCLUDES KIDS! It might be friendly and fun for YOU to have inappropriate stuff up, but for little kids/their parents? NO! And maybe YOU can't go to a site by mistake, but do little kids no better? Again, NO! And if you're idea of "Friendly and Fun" is inappropriate stuff, then obviously you're not mature enough to do something like this in the first place! If everyone got what they wanted, it would be anarchy! It's freedom for you until your freedom infringes upon someone else's!

As Wiimaster said, is it better for older kids to have appropriate stuff, or littler ones to have inappropriate stuff?

BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES TEENS AND PRETEENS!!!!It's not just friendly and fun for me its friendly and fun for many people including the people who posted in favor of less harsh rules.IF SOME PEOPLE GET WHAT THEY WANT THEN OTHER PEOPLE WILL BE LEFT TO GO BY THOSE PEOPLE AND THEIR PARENTS RULES WHICH MAY CONFLICT WITH THEIR OWN PARENTS RULES!Obviously YOUR not mature enough to handle something like this in the first place judging by the fact that you obviously care about only a small percentage of scratchers!

Friendly and fun for everyone needs to encompass the whole of Scratch. Since little kids are less mature the older kids, and little kids are on Scratch, then projects must be for the least mature people - like go at the pace of the slowest. And since I'm 2 or 3 years older than you, and have been on here at least a year more than you, I'd judge my maturity level as quite a bit above yours. Also, I only see... 3 replies in favor of sandman's suggestion. Obviously YOU are the minority of Scratch, not the little kids.

Barely anyone is even logged on to scratch forums at the height of posting.What about the people whos voices arent ebing heard?????DOTN COMAPRE YOUR MATURITY TO MINE.THAT MAKES ME SO MAD!IM MORE MATURE THEN SOME OF MY 15 YEAR OLD COUSINS.Also cattering to the lowest is like going to a school that bassicly teached everyone kindergarten math so the lowest will not "feel bad"