Scratch

sanddude wrote:

I got another idea. When a project is flagged, the scratch team will rate it, with an on for certain ages, an off for certain ages, and an iffy for certain ages.

So:

On would be appropriate for certain ages. e.g. On for 12 and up
Off would not be appropriate for certain ages. e.g. Off for 8 and under
Iffy would mean that the average parent of certain ages, might approve or might not. e.g. Iffy for 9-11.
Not For Kids would mean that it would be considered off for 17 and under.
Unrated would mean that the project has not been flagged.

So when you sign up for scratch you give your month of birth and year of birth. That will tell the Scratch team your age. So it will be allowed to show unrated projects, and projects on for your age. It will not be allowed to show projects off for your age, or with the not for kids rating, if your under 18. You can set your preferences to whether you'll be allowed to see iffy projects for your age.

I hope the Scratch Team considers this idea. 

I just don't see why someone would come to program with scratch and want to swear and have innapropriate content, theres no need to do those things in the first place.

sanddude wrote:

I am posting this topic on fear of getting insulted by a bunch of really sensitive scratchers. I am really not trying to be mean in this message so don't get mad at me if you disagree with what I'm saying. Here goes:

We need a freedom of speech on Scratch. 

The flagging system is terrible! On other sites like this people just have to DEAL WITH IT!!!! It's not right to censor anybody who posts projects that some people find offensive.

Flagging system is here so people won't post comments that are racist, antisocial, or in any other way unsuitable for under-12s (such as that time when a spammer started to advertise his "adult video" site).

Take the famous rapper Eminem. He got lots of controversy in his career do to his profane, violent, sexist, and homophobic music. (I was mad at some of his lyrical themes  BTW) Parents hated him. He was a straight up bad influence.

Only for American "Moms against (whatever most moms dislike)" - besides, he makes lots of money out of it.

But the government didn't ban Eminem's music from being listened to or sold. He's got the right to say whatever he wants; he just gets a lot of controversy.

But that's real life, whereas Scratch is like a playground - you don't want people to come and swear and, in rare cases, flash their junk on a playground (and by junk, I mean external reproductive organs).

On Scratch what we should do install a filter; if you have the filter off all projects are available to you including flagged projects. But when you have the filter ON, you can only see projects that haven't been flagged.

That's one of the solutions. But what if you remove flagging from the comments and forums? The trolls will discover it, and, of course start calling people f**s.

UT, some inappropriate projects just don't get flagged. That's just the way it goes. So people with the filter on, still might see inappropriate projects. That's just how it goes. The internet is very big and unpredictable so if something offends you that's just how it goes.

I disagree here. The Internet is a place where you can buy everything, sell everything, make everything, steal everything and even dream everything. But, just like Ankh-Morpork, there are things in the Internet you don't want to leave their lairs, and creep into cleaner parts of it. Would you like to see all those 4chan people come here and start flame wars on a regular basis?

filo5 wrote:

sanddude wrote:

I am posting this topic on fear of getting insulted by a bunch of really sensitive scratchers. I am really not trying to be mean in this message so don't get mad at me if you disagree with what I'm saying. Here goes:

We need a freedom of speech on Scratch. 

The flagging system is terrible! On other sites like this people just have to DEAL WITH IT!!!! It's not right to censor anybody who posts projects that some people find offensive.

Flagging system is here so people won't post comments that are racist, antisocial, or in any other way unsuitable for under-12s (such as that time when a spammer started to advertise his "adult video" site).

Take the famous rapper Eminem. He got lots of controversy in his career do to his profane, violent, sexist, and homophobic music. (I was mad at some of his lyrical themes  BTW) Parents hated him. He was a straight up bad influence.

Only for American "Moms against (whatever most moms dislike)" - besides, he makes lots of money out of it.

But the government didn't ban Eminem's music from being listened to or sold. He's got the right to say whatever he wants; he just gets a lot of controversy.

But that's real life, whereas Scratch is like a playground - you don't want people to come and swear and, in rare cases, flash their junk on a playground (and by junk, I mean external reproductive organs).

On Scratch what we should do install a filter; if you have the filter off all projects are available to you including flagged projects. But when you have the filter ON, you can only see projects that haven't been flagged.

That's one of the solutions. But what if you remove flagging from the comments and forums? The trolls will discover it, and, of course start calling people f**s.

UT, some inappropriate projects just don't get flagged. That's just the way it goes. So people with the filter on, still might see inappropriate projects. That's just how it goes. The internet is very big and unpredictable so if something offends you that's just how it goes.

I disagree here. The Internet is a place where you can buy everything, sell everything, make everything, steal everything and even dream everything. But, just like Ankh-Morpork, there are things in the Internet you don't want to leave their lairs, and creep into cleaner parts of it. Would you like to see all those 4chan people come here and start flame wars on a regular basis?

Very well said Filo, but I don't think we needed the explination of Junk. 

AtomicBawm3 wrote:

Think of Scratch like you would a school.  You wouldn't go around school asking people for signatures to allow language, and other inappropriate things.  When you're at the school, you are under their rules.  Same with Scratch, when you're on the website, it's their rules, not yours.  You could also relate this to sports.  If there was a soccer game going on and you joined in, and then ran up to somebody and punched them in the face, you're going to get penalized for it, even if thats how you played soccer your whole life.  Again, freedom of speech does not apply to private events, places, websites, etc., only public.

I'm trying to give the older kids freedom to see some stuff that the younger kids can't. It's not fair to them.

AtomicBawm3 wrote:

sanddude wrote:

AtomicBawm3 wrote:

Think of Scratch like you would a school.  You wouldn't go around school asking people for signatures to allow language, and other inappropriate things.  When you're at the school, you are under their rules.  Same with Scratch, when you're on the website, it's their rules, not yours.  You could also relate this to sports.  If there was a soccer game going on and you joined in, and then ran up to somebody and punched them in the face, you're going to get penalized for it, even if thats how you played soccer your whole life.  Again, freedom of speech does not apply to private events, places, websites, etc., only public.

I'm trying to give the older kids freedom to see some stuff that the younger kids can't. It's not fair to them.

It's totally unfair!  Unfair that we even get to use this site and program at all!  You think you deserve to benefit greatly from of the Scratch teams hard work and still be ungrateful?  It's unfair in our favor, not against us!

this.

Sorry, but I believe Scratch would totally fall apart if they made this. Little kids would join, say they are 18. Parents who are trying to review the website before their kids join would join, post their real age, view a lot of inappropriate stuff, wouldn't let their kids join. Then the parents of the kids in example 1 might see or hear them viewing the inappropriate projects, galleries, comments, and forum posts, and block the website. Then the parents might post on other websites about Scratch.mit.edu having inappropriate content, which would result in other parents seeing it. Then eventually most adults and probably all little kids would leave. Then this would turn into one of those sites where almost everything is inappropriate. Even if it was just a sensor, little kids might figure out how to turn it off, adults would see them viewing this stuff, the adults would alert other parents in the area with kids that do scratch and post on websites saying not to go on Scratch.mit.edu because it has a ton of inappropriate content on it. That would result in more parents seeing it, making kids quit Scratch. And all little kids and most adults that wouldn't like to see inappropriate content would quit. Then this, same as before, would turn into one of those sites with mostly inappropriate content and older kids (like teenagers). Hardly anyone wants that. I know I don't. Besides, like someone else posted earlier, how many people open up Scratch and immediately think I'm going to create something inappropriate today. Barely anyone. Sorry but my idea of this is  . My idea of keeping Scratch the way it is is  . Sorry but I do NOT support this idea. Like someone else said, Scratch is like a playground, playgrounds are meant to be fun, and free of any inappropriate content. Adding a sensor would be like going to a playground, making all the little kids leave, and cussing, saying racist things, and other horrible stuff. And besides that, some little kids would probably slip in somehow, and hear and see all that inappropriate stuff. Sorry but sensors would not work. Besides there is a difference between real life and the internet. Eminem is real life. That's where freedom of speech is. The internet is another ballpark. On the internet, like it has been stated before, you have to follow the rules of the website you are on. It's like running at a pool, even though a sign says walk. Then when the lifegaurd tells you to walk, you keep running. It is a LOT like that. And again, as it's been stated already by someone else, the Scratch Team could use the time that they used working on the sensor, to work on making Scratch itself better. And also, because of that, Scratch 2.0 could be delayed a day, a week, or even longer, depending on how long it took to make the sensor. And I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one upset by this. Also, if it was done due to age, then I'd be getting very close to the age where I'd probably be able to view the stuff, which when I reach that age, I would quit the website, and just use the program itself, and post on my new site that I released about a week ago . And, restating what many people already said, sorry, but if you want freedom of speech on Scratch, it's not going to happen, so find another website.

Lucario621 wrote:

I definitely see your point sanddude - but you have to understand, this isn't a normal type of public website, like youtube or something. This website is aimed at a child audience, like some kind of playhouse. Scratch isn't made for ANY type of inappropriate content of any type.

Now focusing more on your filter idea for different ages, there would definitely be many problems depending on how you plan to implement it:

   1. If parents knew that a child could turn off a filter easily with a simple click such as the youtube video filter, than obviously they wouldn't let their child allowed on their website  .
   2. In the situation that it's unswitchable, some people with the filter on may become angry that they can't access the information. Soo...
      2a. If you were planning to have it unswitchable, than they might create a new account with an older age.
      2b. If your plan was to not allow that, than they would complain to the Scratch team  . Not very good.

This is supposed to be a very kid-friendly, educational website to make it easy to collaborate and discuss different Scratch-related topics - so having some type of filter would pretty much destroy everything before I just mentioned.

So... yeah. Do you see the point I'm getting here?

Sorry I don't. On Scratch, what's appropriate for the older kids doesn't matter. It's all about the younger kids. Check out my new idea. It's better.

sanddude wrote:

pika100chu wrote:

Sorry, but I believe Scratch would totally fall apart if they made this. Little kids would join, say they are 18. Parents who are trying to review the website before their kids join would join, post their real age, view a lot of inappropriate stuff, wouldn't let their kids join. Then the parents of the kids in example 1 might see or hear them viewing the inappropriate projects, galleries, comments, and forum posts, and block the website. Then the parents might post on other websites about Scratch.mit.edu having inappropriate content, which would result in other parents seeing it. Then eventually most adults and probably all little kids would leave. Then this would turn into one of those sites where almost everything is inappropriate. Even if it was just a sensor, little kids might figure out how to turn it off, adults would see them viewing this stuff, the adults would alert other parents in the area with kids that do scratch and post on websites saying not to go on Scratch.mit.edu because it has a ton of inappropriate content on it. That would result in more parents seeing it, making kids quit Scratch. And all little kids and most adults that wouldn't like to see inappropriate content would quit. Then this, same as before, would turn into one of those sites with mostly inappropriate content and older kids (like teenagers). Hardly anyone wants that. I know I don't. Besides, like someone else posted earlier, how many people open up Scratch and immediately think I'm going to create something inappropriate today. Barely anyone. Sorry but my idea of this is  . My idea of keeping Scratch the way it is is  . Sorry but I do NOT support this idea. Like someone else said, Scratch is like a playground, playgrounds are meant to be fun, and free of any inappropriate content. Adding a sensor would be like going to a playground, making all the little kids leave, and cussing, saying racist things, and other horrible stuff. And besides that, some little kids would probably slip in somehow, and hear and see all that inappropriate stuff. Sorry but sensors would not work. Besides there is a difference between real life and the internet. Eminem is real life. That's where freedom of speech is. The internet is another ballpark. On the internet, like it has been stated before, you have to follow the rules of the website you are on. It's like running at a pool, even though a sign says walk. Then when the lifegaurd tells you to walk, you keep running. It is a LOT like that. And again, as it's been stated already by someone else, the Scratch Team could use the time that they used working on the sensor, to work on making Scratch itself better. And also, because of that, Scratch 2.0 could be delayed a day, a week, or even longer, depending on how long it took to make the sensor. And I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one upset by this. Also, if it was done due to age, then I'd be getting very close to the age where I'd probably be able to view the stuff, which when I reach that age, I would quit the website, and just use the program itself, and post on my new site that I released about a week ago . And, restating what many people already said, sorry, but if you want freedom of speech on Scratch, it's not going to happen, so find another website.

No, everyone could see what's appropriate for them. Not just what's appropriate for little kids. The little kids could see what's appropriate for them, and the older scratchers wouldn't have to have their stuff censored JUST because of the little kids. That way I think that the older scratchers could be happy because they don't JUST have to see what's appropriate for the younger scratchers, and the parents of younger scratchers could be happy because their kids can't see stuff inappropriate for their age. Get it?

No. You need to understand. This site has rules. You need to follow those rules, even if you're used to doing it another way (sounds like something someone else said in an earlier post). Little kids would still be able to access the filter somehow, either by saying they're older or by pressing a button or something. Sorry, but no matter what you say, I still wouldn't like a filter.

pika100chu wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

sanddude wrote:

Sorry I don't. On Scratch, what's appropriate for the older kids doesn't matter. It's all about the younger kids. Check out my new idea. It's better.

just because you're older doesn't change what it is. do your great grandparents swear all the time?
it is what it is. If it's not appropriate for one person, what makes it any different for somebody older? it's the same content.

I agree with that. What makes it appropriate for older kids if it's not appropriate for the younger? I dare you to try answering that!

Then answer this: what makes it inappropriate?

Last edited by juststickman (2010-06-26 11:23:12)

pika100chu wrote:

juststickman wrote:

pika100chu wrote:

I agree with that. What makes it appropriate for older kids if it's not appropriate for the younger? I dare you to try answering that!

Then answer this: what makes it inappropriate?

Can't answer that, but everyone knows what's inappropriate. It's common sense. And just because you get older it doesn't make it so it's appropriate.

What's common sense? Some of us (me) lack it. So please tell me what is inappropriate.

I agree
Thechniclly i dont think this site was made for kids
It's just a little to advance((in my opininon))for that
There are also not many programming sites if any other then scratch
People should just have ot deal with it or just not veiw it
we should be able to put a rating on our stuff and give a age range
That when scratch comes in
They can use their data to either block people from veiwng stuff thats not in their age range or have a seperate site like ScratchTeen.mit.edu instead
But in the real world people are not just going to taylor stuff to you
They just have to deal with it

sanddude wrote:

pika100chu wrote:

Sorry, but I believe Scratch would totally fall apart if they made this. Little kids would join, say they are 18. Parents who are trying to review the website before their kids join would join, post their real age, view a lot of inappropriate stuff, wouldn't let their kids join. Then the parents of the kids in example 1 might see or hear them viewing the inappropriate projects, galleries, comments, and forum posts, and block the website. Then the parents might post on other websites about Scratch.mit.edu having inappropriate content, which would result in other parents seeing it. Then eventually most adults and probably all little kids would leave. Then this would turn into one of those sites where almost everything is inappropriate. Even if it was just a sensor, little kids might figure out how to turn it off, adults would see them viewing this stuff, the adults would alert other parents in the area with kids that do scratch and post on websites saying not to go on Scratch.mit.edu because it has a ton of inappropriate content on it. That would result in more parents seeing it, making kids quit Scratch. And all little kids and most adults that wouldn't like to see inappropriate content would quit. Then this, same as before, would turn into one of those sites with mostly inappropriate content and older kids (like teenagers). Hardly anyone wants that. I know I don't. Besides, like someone else posted earlier, how many people open up Scratch and immediately think I'm going to create something inappropriate today. Barely anyone. Sorry but my idea of this is  . My idea of keeping Scratch the way it is is  . Sorry but I do NOT support this idea. Like someone else said, Scratch is like a playground, playgrounds are meant to be fun, and free of any inappropriate content. Adding a sensor would be like going to a playground, making all the little kids leave, and cussing, saying racist things, and other horrible stuff. And besides that, some little kids would probably slip in somehow, and hear and see all that inappropriate stuff. Sorry but sensors would not work. Besides there is a difference between real life and the internet. Eminem is real life. That's where freedom of speech is. The internet is another ballpark. On the internet, like it has been stated before, you have to follow the rules of the website you are on. It's like running at a pool, even though a sign says walk. Then when the lifegaurd tells you to walk, you keep running. It is a LOT like that. And again, as it's been stated already by someone else, the Scratch Team could use the time that they used working on the sensor, to work on making Scratch itself better. And also, because of that, Scratch 2.0 could be delayed a day, a week, or even longer, depending on how long it took to make the sensor. And I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one upset by this. Also, if it was done due to age, then I'd be getting very close to the age where I'd probably be able to view the stuff, which when I reach that age, I would quit the website, and just use the program itself, and post on my new site that I released about a week ago . And, restating what many people already said, sorry, but if you want freedom of speech on Scratch, it's not going to happen, so find another website.

No, everyone could see what's appropriate for them. Not just what's appropriate for little kids. The little kids could see what's appropriate for them, and the older scratchers wouldn't have to have their stuff censored JUST because of the little kids. That way I think that the older scratchers could be happy because they don't JUST have to see what's appropriate for the younger scratchers, and the parents of younger scratchers could be happy because their kids can't see stuff inappropriate for their age. Get it?

...if you can call any of it appropriate.  Truthfully, I don't find violence, language or anything that is considered inappropriate for younger people, appropriate for anyone.  Sure, these things are going on in the world, but does that mean it's okay to glorify them?  If we think it's not appropriate for younger people, why on earth is it appropriate for anyone?

markyparky56 wrote:

joeisawesome wrote:

C-roads_brandon wrote:

P.S. eminem is an awesome rapper.

P.S. We hate rap.

True...

not true