Scratch

Look, the scratch team isn't going to change it, it works, the flagging works and its in the rules, so if you don't like it, then tough.

C-roads_brandon wrote:

P.S. eminem is an awesome rapper.

P.S. We hate rap.

scratch does have a lot of younger users, so you need a filtering and flagging system.

bananaman114 wrote:

sanddude wrote:

webgal15 wrote:

But what if a four-year-old turns off the filter secretly, and sees inappropriate stuff? This site is for kids, so a flagging system is necessary.

But if a four-year old turns off the filter then it's HIS fault. Here on the internet people should be allowed to say whatever they want. Here in America we have a so-called freeedom of speech.

but scratch is used by people from all different countries. Its not Americans only.

Well, the filtering system will be in the U.S. only, but it will still be like how it is right now in Germany or something. How 'bout that! 

sanddude wrote:

bananaman114 wrote:

sanddude wrote:

But if a four-year old turns off the filter then it's HIS fault. Here on the internet people should be allowed to say whatever they want. Here in America we have a so-called freeedom of speech.

but scratch is used by people from all different countries. Its not Americans only.

Well, the filtering system will be in the U.S. only, but it will still be like how it is right now in Germany or something. How 'bout that! 

More than just American parents don't want their kids seeing innapropriate stuff on the web...

calebxy wrote:

Paddle2See wrote:

Please flag any project, comment or forum post that does not seem kid-friendly to you.  For projects, it doesn't matter if there are warnings posted on it...if it's not kid-friendly, it doesn't belong on the site.   Warnings are not considered effective since they can't actually stop a younger member from running the project.  I hope that helps make things clear 

i disagree, I say if a kid ignores a warning then it's their own fault that they see that stuff.

but what do we consider not kid-friendly?  there are hundreds of projects on the site which involve blood, they haven't been flagged. I think each person defies what is innapropriate differently which can cause a lot of confusion.  for me personally a warning is enough, but it's not my decision, it's the administrators

though it may not sound like it, I like the way the system's been so far, people post projects with blood and they sometimes even get front paged, as long as it's not excessive.  This site is for all ages.

Last edited by PlayWithFire (2010-06-13 22:11:48)

wiimaster wrote:

sanddude wrote:

bananaman114 wrote:

but scratch is used by people from all different countries. Its not Americans only.

Well, the filtering system will be in the U.S. only, but it will still be like how it is right now in Germany or something. How 'bout that! 

More than just American parents don't want their kids seeing innapropriate stuff on the web...

i know!   sheesh!    Canada and other countries exist too! but nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! only filter America! no offence tho.

MaxtheWeirdo wrote:

Okay. If Scratch didn't have flagging, and only filtering until a certain age (let's say 13), who says a 13 year old can handle that? Look at YouTube: Most comedy videos have swears, and so do comments. Do we really want to doom Scratch to this? This site is for all ages: It has to be acceptable for all ages. That means the adult who plays M games, and the kid who plays Mario. The Scratch Team have every right to flag it.

It's still not fair to censor the stuff that the older kids can see, just not the younger kids.

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MaxtheWeirdo wrote:

sanddude wrote:

MaxtheWeirdo wrote:

Okay. If Scratch didn't have flagging, and only filtering until a certain age (let's say 13), who says a 13 year old can handle that? Look at YouTube: Most comedy videos have swears, and so do comments. Do we really want to doom Scratch to this? This site is for all ages: It has to be acceptable for all ages. That means the adult who plays M games, and the kid who plays Mario. The Scratch Team have every right to flag it.

It's still not fair to censor the stuff that the older kids can see, just not the younger kids.

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MyRedNeptune made a point I'd like to restate: You agreed with the Terms of Use when you joined. A friend said he'd sue if the Scratch Team flagged his project. Don't get mad at the Scratch Team for flagging a project you made. On the issue of fairness: I think the ToU are fair. It gives you lots of room, and eliminates stuff that's not age appropriate. We don't need 5 year olds seeing swears. Also, it's perfectly fair to kick someone's project out if it breaks your rules.

Okay, tell me if you think it's fair to kick someone out of your club if it breaks your rule. I'm waiting.

you beat me to it! stupid crashing firefox 
one thing you forgot though. HTML fail. you can't use HTML here.

Musicstar888 wrote:

sanddude your right. I find rapping inappropriate. I mean, its not totally the rapper guys fault. He has writers that make the song for him. The things that rappers say about the female gender is just really offensive, which kind of shows how I (and all my friends that are girls) hate rap, because its just a long fountain of profanity. There should be a law against that music. I just feel as if women have no purpose when they sing that stuff.    We have lives too, you know.    I find Scratch very protected from unnecessary projects that have bad content, but if people didn't know what to do, lets just say we would be vulnerable to spam and trolling etc. It's just great that everyone knows what they're doing here.

and the fact that rap takes basicly no skill, sounds terrible, and makes me feel sorry for the microphone, and the speakers, and the radio.

C-roads_brandon wrote:

P.S. eminem is an awesome rapper.

If there is such thing as an "awesome rapper" which I highly doubt, find the most awesome one you can! we'll probably hate him! the only rap I like at all is Jay-z empire state of mind, and that's mostly because of the chorus.

Rap, I find,  can only be okay if its:
1) Only for a short time
2) Not the whole song
3) When they're not singing it super fast
4) When there is no profanity
       All that HAS to apply in order for me to like the song if it has rap in it.

sanddude wrote:

I am posting this topic on fear of getting insulted by a bunch of really sensitive scratchers. I am really not trying to be mean in this message so don't get mad at me if you disagree with what I'm saying. Here goes:

We need a freedom of speech on Scratch. 

The flagging system is terrible! On other sites like this people just have to DEAL WITH IT!!!! It's not right to censor anybody who posts projects that some people find offensive.

Take the famous rapper Eminem. He got lots of controversy in his career do to his profane, violent, sexist, and homophobic music. (I was mad at some of his lyrical themes  BTW) Parents hated him. He was a straight up bad influence.

But the government didn't ban Eminem's music from being listened to or sold. He's got the right to say whatever he wants; he just gets a lot of controversy.

On Scratch what we should do install a filter; if you have the filter off all projects are available to you including flagged projects. But when you have the filter ON, you can only see projects that haven't been flagged.

BUT, some inappropriate projects just don't get flagged. That's just the way it goes. So people with the filter on, still might see inappropriate projects. That's just how it goes. The internet is very big and unpredictable so if something offends you that's just how it goes.

I understand your point about censorship, and I agree that people should have the right to say their opinions as long as they are not pushing any extreme limits, or anything that could scar someone for life. I also understand other peoples point about scratch being a "kid friendly" website. Which it is. But I think that people do have a right to speak up and not be censored so easily by someone who disagrees flagging it. And I'm also disappointed to read these couple of pages where it's pretty much people just putting your idea down, sure your Eminem analogy is kinda weird and doesn't appeal to most people, but I understand what you're getting at. People who cry every time they see something that offends them really should learn to deal with certain things, because this is the internet, and theres some weird stuff out there. That being said, there has to be censorship on some level, like if anything is illegal or extremely violent, pornographic or perverse. But I wish people would quit whining about projects that they don't like. Just don't say anything if you don't like it.