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#1 2010-06-19 08:59:44

freddythef
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Registered: 2010-04-30
Posts: 25

Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

Look,
Its not scratchs fault that long scripts are glitchy.
As a technical programmer*, I SAY ITS YOUR MACHINES FAULT.
Dont expect a small laptop to be able to handle something every 0.2 seconds with out a delay. Go buy an i5 if you want it to not be glitchy.
-Freddythef
*i have 3 years experience with java, 5 with html, 4 with php and 2 with basic.
PS.Shortly i will be making a video with proof.
Below is an example of a long script:
<forever>
<stamp>
<stamp>
<stamp>
<stamp>
<stamp>
<stamp>
<stamp>
<stamp>
<end>

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#2 2010-06-19 09:03:14

coolstuff
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Re: Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

Hm, that's not really a long script...

And it isn't that they're glitchy, it's just that they take forever to make and build because Scratch is glitchy  hmm

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#3 2010-06-19 09:06:09

freddythef
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Re: Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

@Coolstuff
Sorry,
Didnt have long,
But im telling you SCRATCH ISNT GLITCHY!!!!
Its your processors speed and your RAM that depends on how long they take to build.
Same with how they run...

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#4 2010-06-19 09:07:26

coolstuff
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Re: Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

freddythef wrote:

@Coolstuff
Sorry,
Didnt have long,
But im telling you SCRATCH ISNT GLITCHY!!!!
Its your processors speed and your RAM that depends on how long they take to build.
Same with how they run...

Okay, but I have a top-of-the-line computer and it glitches... So unless you have a supercomputer  smile

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#5 2010-06-19 09:11:07

freddythef
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Posts: 25

Re: Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

What make and model?
Im running a I5 Mac and it has no glitchs.
What processor?
(I class core 2 duo as old...)
And please will you suggest to MIT to enable multithreading support?
(ITS REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY EASY TO DO IN JAVA!!!)

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#6 2010-06-19 09:13:26

coolstuff
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Re: Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

freddythef wrote:

What make and model?
Im running a I5 Mac and it has no glitchs.
What processor?
(I class core 2 duo as old...)
And please will you suggest to MIT to enable multithreading support?
(ITS REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY EASY TO DO IN JAVA!!!)

I have an Acer Aspire X3200 desktop computer with 4GB RAM and 2.1 GHz processor speed. And really, REALLY, long scripts, like my Pathing AI, take forever to edit, and everybody says so  smile

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#7 2010-06-19 13:22:25

archmage
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Registered: 2007-05-18
Posts: 1000+

Re: Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

So you are suggesting people upgrade their computers to run a scratch program which would run at least 10 times more efficiently in any other language? I could make a list of things  scratch has issues with like long scripts but I won't because I think most people who have used the program enough have figured out that scratch isn't perfect.

With posts like this I don't think anyone will believe you when you say you have 14 years coding experience or perhaps even any real coding experience.

Last edited by archmage (2010-06-19 13:23:38)


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#8 2010-06-20 10:26:35

Locomule
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Registered: 2009-08-24
Posts: 500+

Re: Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

there are some great old forum posts about workarounds for a lot of those problems. In fact, I'd say that is true of most things Scratch related  tongue


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#9 2010-06-20 14:32:31

juststickman
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Registered: 2009-05-31
Posts: 1000+

Re: Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

This is completely wrong. They're glitchy online and edit mode right? Play presentation mode. That's the only place where the whole loop is executed before the frame is rendered.
Scratch isn't like other programming languages, in scratch it's a good thing to have a long script as it increases execution speed.


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#10 2010-06-20 14:39:11

freddythef
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Re: Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

At Archmage:
I make websites and games for a job you know.
So when i say im a programmer.
I AM.
Email me on [Email removed by moderator] if you want to see some of my work.
PS.
I agree that scratch isnt perfect.
But you cant keep making these GLITCH PROPOSALS.
BECAUSE THEY CANT BE FIXED!!
The point is.
Scratch isnt the best programming language in the world.
I started with KPL (Phogram) which was quite good.
Scratch can only be improved by you improving you hardware.
I was just making it clear for people to shut up.

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Last edited by coolstuff (2010-06-20 20:04:59)

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#11 2010-06-20 15:21:59

archmage
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Posts: 1000+

Re: Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

I think the main issue with scratch bugs is that each player acts differently. The offline player in presentation mode has the least bugs and usually works as it is supposed to. The offline player in edit mode is like presentation mode except slower, long scripts take long to load in the editor. The online player is where most of the issues come in as it is very different from the offline players. The online player is horrible with sounds, and runs scripts a little differently.

I don't get why the solution should be to upgrade your system to run a program in scratch that would run effortlessly as a flash app for example.

PS: Your projects and posts make it extremely obvious that you are not a professional programmer so just drop the act.


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#12 2010-06-20 20:06:53

coolstuff
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Re: Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

Keep it respectful, guys.

Also, @Freddythef, please don't distribute your email on this website. Thanks!

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#13 2010-06-21 11:54:38

freddythef
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Registered: 2010-04-30
Posts: 25

Re: Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

@archmage.
Sometimes people like to have something called FUN.....
Ever heard of that.
And most of my projects were effortless
Im looking at scratch's framework by shift clicking the r on scratch.....
(The projects were for when i got bored of staring at java for hours.

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#14 2010-06-21 11:58:21

freddythef
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Posts: 25

Re: Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

Ps.
The Top Users Of The Website?
Lolololol.
I Dont Even Care About Anyones Projects.
But Im Bored Of Staring At Freaking Java All Day.
So By All Means Coolstuff Should Ban Me And You Should Learn That Cause Your Good At Scratch Dosent Meen You Can Develop A Multiplayer Online Game In Basic And C Plus Plus Lolololol

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#15 2010-06-21 14:17:07

hmnwilson
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Registered: 2007-07-04
Posts: 1000+

Re: Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

freddythef wrote:

Ps.
The Top Users Of The Website?
Lolololol.
I Dont Even Care About Anyones Projects.
But Im Bored Of Staring At Freaking Java All Day.
So By All Means Coolstuff Should Ban Me And You Should Learn That Cause Your Good At Scratch Dosent Meen You Can Develop A Multiplayer Online Game In Basic And C Plus Plus Lolololol

Nobody actually thinks that.

The reason Scratch runs long scrips so slowly is because it's not made to handle them. If you built something in Scratch, then made an exact copy in C++, the Scratch version will always be much slower. That's just how it's built to work.

Also, for someone who has a job in programming, your posts are really hard to understand.

Last edited by hmnwilson (2010-06-21 14:19:36)


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#16 2010-06-21 14:42:03

juststickman
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Registered: 2009-05-31
Posts: 1000+

Re: Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

juststickman wrote:

This is completely wrong. They're glitchy online and edit mode right? Play presentation mode. That's the only place where the whole loop is executed before the frame is rendered.
Scratch isn't like other programming languages, in scratch it's a good thing to have a long script as it increases execution speed.


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#17 2010-06-21 14:49:21

cds56
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Registered: 2008-05-02
Posts: 500+

Re: Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

freddythef wrote:

Ps.
The Top Users Of The Website?
Lolololol.
I Dont Even Care About Anyones Projects.
But Im Bored Of Staring At Freaking Java All Day.
So By All Means Coolstuff Should Ban Me And You Should Learn That Cause Your Good At Scratch Dosent Meen You Can Develop A Multiplayer Online Game In Basic And C Plus Plus Lolololol

aah.

Please calm yourself.

And stop trollin'.

lol.
I dislike these strange occurrences.

And, yes, scratch is glitchy.

No program is perfect. Not one(Except for ed, of course. xD)


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#18 2010-06-21 15:12:22

markyparky56
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Re: Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

This is getting pretty crazy... and I think archmage is right about the act...


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#19 2010-06-21 16:00:00

coolstuff
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Re: Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

Please remember to keep it respectful here! It's right in the terms of use...

I'd hate to have to close this thread...

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#20 2010-06-21 16:39:36

markyparky56
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Re: Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

After looking back at this thread, you don't need to dump your perfectly fine computer and buy a i5, just buy memory, upgrade your processor etc.why you'd want to buy a mac, I don't know now, shhhs... this comment isn't here.

Get my point?


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#21 2010-06-21 16:41:58

Lightnin
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Re: Why your *LONG* scratch programs are glitchy.

Yep, this is trollin', so I'm closing this. It's fine to make criticisms of Scratch (we know it's not perfect). But it's not fine to do it in a way that's disrespectful, and designed to create arguments and conflicts.


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