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#1 2010-06-10 09:39:14
Freedom Of Speech On Scratch
I am posting this topic on fear of getting insulted by a bunch of really sensitive scratchers. I am really not trying to be mean in this message so don't get mad at me if you disagree with what I'm saying. Here goes:
We need a freedom of speech on Scratch.
The flagging system is terrible! On other sites like this people just have to DEAL WITH IT!!!! It's not right to censor anybody who posts projects that some people find offensive.
Take the famous rapper Eminem. He got lots of controversy in his career do to his profane, violent, sexist, and homophobic music. (I was mad at some of his lyrical themes BTW) Parents hated him. He was a straight up bad influence.
But the government didn't ban Eminem's music from being listened to or sold. He's got the right to say whatever he wants; he just gets a lot of controversy.
On Scratch what we should do install a filter; if you have the filter off all projects are available to you including flagged projects. But when you have the filter ON, you can only see projects that haven't been flagged.
BUT, some inappropriate projects just don't get flagged. That's just the way it goes. So people with the filter on, still might see inappropriate projects. That's just how it goes. The internet is very big and unpredictable so if something offends you that's just how it goes.
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#2 2010-06-10 09:44:50
Re: Freedom Of Speech On Scratch
But what if a four-year-old turns off the filter secretly, and sees inappropriate stuff? This site is for kids, so a flagging system is necessary.
Now only using this account to post in Miscellaneous, but when Miss_Webgal becomes a Scratcher I'm ditching this account.
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#4 2010-06-10 09:54:46
- soupoftomato
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Re: Freedom Of Speech On Scratch
Due to the age this site is directed toward flagging is absolutely necessary.
And inappropriate projects that aren't flagged are normally very new.
I'm glad to think that the community will always be kind and helpful, the language will always be a fun and easy way to be introduced into programming, the motto will always be: Imagine, Program, Share - Nomolos
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#5 2010-06-10 10:03:21
Re: Freedom Of Speech On Scratch
webgal15 wrote:
But what if a four-year-old turns off the filter secretly, and sees inappropriate stuff? This site is for kids, so a flagging system is necessary.
But if a four-year old turns off the filter then it's HIS fault. Here on the internet people should be allowed to say whatever they want. Here in America we have a so-called freeedom of speech.
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#6 2010-06-10 10:07:26
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sanddude wrote:
webgal15 wrote:
But what if a four-year-old turns off the filter secretly, and sees inappropriate stuff? This site is for kids, so a flagging system is necessary.
But if a four-year old turns off the filter then it's HIS fault. Here on the internet people should be allowed to say whatever they want. Here in America we have a so-called freeedom of speech.
The scratch team made this site and make the rules. Make your own site, O.k? 
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#7 2010-06-10 10:11:00
- steppenwulf
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Re: Freedom Of Speech On Scratch
08jackt wrote:
Yeah, ditto what webgal said.
This site was made for kids. If you've come for swearing and stuff like that, you're on the wrong site.
I third that.
I'm graduating HS this April and going to college in the Fall.
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#8 2010-06-10 10:20:10
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sanddude wrote:
webgal15 wrote:
But what if a four-year-old turns off the filter secretly, and sees inappropriate stuff? This site is for kids, so a flagging system is necessary.
But if a four-year old turns off the filter then it's HIS fault. Here on the internet people should be allowed to say whatever they want. Here in America we have a so-called freeedom of speech.
I disagree. On kids' sites, there SHOULD be rules against inappropriate things.
Now only using this account to post in Miscellaneous, but when Miss_Webgal becomes a Scratcher I'm ditching this account.
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#9 2010-06-10 10:41:21
Re: Freedom Of Speech On Scratch
webgal15 wrote:
sanddude wrote:
webgal15 wrote:
But what if a four-year-old turns off the filter secretly, and sees inappropriate stuff? This site is for kids, so a flagging system is necessary.
But if a four-year old turns off the filter then it's HIS fault. Here on the internet people should be allowed to say whatever they want. Here in America we have a so-called freeedom of speech.
I disagree. On kids' sites, there SHOULD be rules against inappropriate things.
They are all right. Scratch should have a flagging system.
I you have something in your projct that youre worried might offend younger viewers, either don' upload it or put a warning at the beginning. Me and my friend have done that and it seems to have worked fine.
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#11 2010-06-10 10:48:23
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Paddle2See wrote:
Please flag any project, comment or forum post that does not seem kid-friendly to you. For projects, it doesn't matter if there are warnings posted on it...if it's not kid-friendly, it doesn't belong on the site. Warnings are not considered effective since they can't actually stop a younger member from running the project. I hope that helps make things clear
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#12 2010-06-10 10:49:51
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Composer wrote:
So, you rather blame a child for he/she's lost of innocence, instead of the real culprit?
Saying that the culprit is the website, of course.
Well, technically it would be the parent's fault for not checking out the website, since the internet is chock full of horribly inappropriate things, but I agree that they need to keep the flagging system to keep the website appropriate for younger scratchers.
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#13 2010-06-10 11:02:21
- 16Skittles
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Re: Freedom Of Speech On Scratch
sanddude wrote:
webgal15 wrote:
But what if a four-year-old turns off the filter secretly, and sees inappropriate stuff? This site is for kids, so a flagging system is necessary.
But if a four-year old turns off the filter then it's HIS fault. Here on the internet people should be allowed to say whatever they want. Here in America we have a so-called freeedom of speech.
then mit can move their server to canada or something.
programming in scratch isn't rocket science. it's made for an introduction to programming. like for young people.
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#14 2010-06-10 11:07:45
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16Skittles wrote:
sanddude wrote:
webgal15 wrote:
But what if a four-year-old turns off the filter secretly, and sees inappropriate stuff? This site is for kids, so a flagging system is necessary.
But if a four-year old turns off the filter then it's HIS fault. Here on the internet people should be allowed to say whatever they want. Here in America we have a so-called freeedom of speech.
then mit can move their server to canada or something.
What's that supposed to mean?
It's already in Canada, you nationalist
Paradox is gone.
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#15 2010-06-10 11:12:51
- Stickman704
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Re: Freedom Of Speech On Scratch
webgal15 wrote:
But what if a four-year-old turns off the filter secretly, and sees inappropriate stuff? This site is for kids, so a flagging system is necessary.
Not many people knew how to turn off the filtering system on their internet at the age of 4
We have the freedom to speech our mind. There are just boundries to it. - Read the terms of use for the boundries 
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#16 2010-06-10 11:32:17
- Targethero
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Re: Freedom Of Speech On Scratch
On a kids site like Scratch it is very necessary to have a flagging system. Scratch is meant to be a friendly, educational community. Inappropriate content must be flagged as inappropriate if we are going to keep it that way.
If the we decided to throw away all of the rules about language, harassment, and other things now considered inappropriate, then this site could eventually become a unfriendly, swear happy place like many other sites on the internet. Witch is not what most of us want Scratch to be, and is definitely not what the Scratch Team intended Scratch to be. So If you the want them to do away with the flagging system, sorry it isn’t going to happen.
Make your own site and make the rules whatever your heart desires, but you can’t do it here.
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#17 2010-06-10 11:36:28
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Stickman704 wrote:
webgal15 wrote:
But what if a four-year-old turns off the filter secretly, and sees inappropriate stuff? This site is for kids, so a flagging system is necessary.
Not many people knew how to turn off the filtering system on their internet at the age of 4
The four-year-old could find the switch, wonder what it does, try it out, and BOOM, no more filter.
Now only using this account to post in Miscellaneous, but when Miss_Webgal becomes a Scratcher I'm ditching this account.
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#18 2010-06-10 11:43:55
- soupoftomato
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Re: Freedom Of Speech On Scratch
First of all, what type of person opens Scratch and the first thing they think is I'm going to put a tons of blood and gore and cussing into my project and share it online at a a kid website?
I'm glad to think that the community will always be kind and helpful, the language will always be a fun and easy way to be introduced into programming, the motto will always be: Imagine, Program, Share - Nomolos
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#19 2010-06-10 11:48:34
- Targethero
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Re: Freedom Of Speech On Scratch
soupoftomato wrote:
First of all, what type of person opens Scratch and the first thing they think is I'm going to put a tons of blood and gore and cussing into my project and share it online at a a kid website?
You may not think so, but some people would do that if they could(were allowed to).
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#20 2010-06-10 11:51:49
- soupoftomato
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Re: Freedom Of Speech On Scratch
Targethero wrote:
soupoftomato wrote:
First of all, what type of person opens Scratch and the first thing they think is I'm going to put a tons of blood and gore and cussing into my project and share it online at a a kid website?
You may not think so, but some people would do that if they could(were allowed to).
My point was, does Scratch look like a program made for that after opening?
I'm glad to think that the community will always be kind and helpful, the language will always be a fun and easy way to be introduced into programming, the motto will always be: Imagine, Program, Share - Nomolos
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#21 2010-06-10 12:27:55
- 16Skittles
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Re: Freedom Of Speech On Scratch
Paradox wrote:
16Skittles wrote:
sanddude wrote:
But if a four-year old turns off the filter then it's HIS fault. Here on the internet people should be allowed to say whatever they want. Here in America we have a so-called freeedom of speech.then mit can move their server to canada or something.
What's that supposed to mean?
It's already in Canada, you nationalist
no, I mean the computer that hosts the site. I know Canadians can go on scratch.
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#22 2010-06-10 12:39:46
- militarydudes
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Re: Freedom Of Speech On Scratch
Scratch isn't for this kinda thing. If a project isn't appropriate for the overall scratch community, it doesn't belong. All projects should be viewable by everyone. I like the sound of this, but what if it becomes an excuse for people to post bad projects? It just doesn't work. And it doesn't stop a some little kid from turning off the filter and seeing bad stuff. This is scratch, not youtube or myspace.
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#23 2010-06-10 13:13:10
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Greenboi wrote:
sanddude wrote:
webgal15 wrote:
But what if a four-year-old turns off the filter secretly, and sees inappropriate stuff? This site is for kids, so a flagging system is necessary.
But if a four-year old turns off the filter then it's HIS fault. Here on the internet people should be allowed to say whatever they want. Here in America we have a so-called freeedom of speech.
The scratch team made this site and make the rules. Make your own site, O.k?
Well, I'm trying to stand up for people who are being censored by the Scratch community. If you don't agree with me, that's okay.
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#24 2010-06-10 13:16:38
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Targethero wrote:
On a kids site like Scratch it is very necessary to have a flagging system. Scratch is meant to be a friendly, educational community. Inappropriate content must be flagged as inappropriate if we are going to keep it that way.
If the we decided to throw away all of the rules about language, harassment, and other things now considered inappropriate, then this site could eventually become a unfriendly, swear happy place like many other sites on the internet. Witch is not what most of us want Scratch to be, and is definitely not what the Scratch Team intended Scratch to be. So If you the want them to do away with the flagging system, sorry it isn’t going to happen.
Make your own site and make the rules whatever your heart desires, but you can’t do it here.
I understand if you disagree with me. This topic is going to be chock-full of debates.
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#25 2010-06-10 13:18:05
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militarydudes wrote:
Scratch isn't for this kinda thing. If a project isn't appropriate for the overall scratch community, it doesn't belong. All projects should be viewable by everyone. I like the sound of this, but what if it becomes an excuse for people to post bad projects? It just doesn't work. And it doesn't stop a some little kid from turning off the filter and seeing bad stuff. This is scratch, not youtube or myspace.
I understand what you're saying. But we just have different opinions on this topic. Okay.
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