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demosthenes wrote:

Repto wrote:

Every week if this is successful I will post a slogan which has a bit to offer on each side. I will then explain the slogan and how it could possibly be real.

This weeks is:

                             "Energy is Matter from another world"

How on earth could this be real, well, when monitoring black holes, scientists discovered that black holes are visible as they sort of bend light around them so you see two of the same star. How is light bended? Surely it is not affected by gravity, it's ENERGY! Unless it is affected by a force like dark matter or another form of gravity. If you believe in the wormhole theory which states that all matter absorbed by a black hole is flung out in another dimension, surely it is possible that the laws of physics are different there, maybe some of their matter entered this dimension via white hole (other end of black hole) and has stayed around as Energy.

Please post arguments for or against this proposal.

Light is affected by gravity. E = MC^2 Therefore energy is, in a very real sense, mass (assuming you define the speed of light as 1). Because light has "mass" it can be affected by gravity.

I'm also pretty sure, however, that light photons have no mass so I'm not quite sure how that works . . . I haven't gotten there in my book yet.

Well I just thought of the slogan and put it up, I don't actually think it's correct but it's fun to see what people will think of it.

shamrocker wrote:

demosthenes wrote:

Repto wrote:

Every week if this is successful I will post a slogan which has a bit to offer on each side. I will then explain the slogan and how it could possibly be real.

This weeks is:

                             "Energy is Matter from another world"

How on earth could this be real, well, when monitoring black holes, scientists discovered that black holes are visible as they sort of bend light around them so you see two of the same star. How is light bended? Surely it is not affected by gravity, it's ENERGY! Unless it is affected by a force like dark matter or another form of gravity. If you believe in the wormhole theory which states that all matter absorbed by a black hole is flung out in another dimension, surely it is possible that the laws of physics are different there, maybe some of their matter entered this dimension via white hole (other end of black hole) and has stayed around as Energy.

Please post arguments for or against this proposal.

Light is affected by gravity. E = MC^2 Therefore energy is, in a very real sense, mass (assuming you define the speed of light as 1). Because light has "mass" it can be affected by gravity.

I'm also pretty sure, however, that light photons have no mass so I'm not quite sure how that works . . . I haven't gotten there in my book yet.

Light has mass. Virtual Experiment:
If you where to survive and be right next to the end of the universe, and you shined a flashlight at it, would the light wrap around the universe, grow the universe, or would it just stay there? All of those mean that it has mass. But, another theory is that it would float, no matter where you shine it. You could shine it one way and then shut it off, I could still be there. You could turn it another way, it would just spread. Who knows what would happen? :3

Light does not have mass. However, energy functions very similarly to mass, it can do all the things you described because it has energy.

Repto wrote:

Every week if this is successful I will post a slogan which has a bit to offer on each side. I will then explain the slogan and how it could possibly be real.

This weeks is:

                             "Energy is Matter from another world"

How on earth could this be real, well, when monitoring black holes, scientists discovered that black holes are visible as they sort of bend light around them so you see two of the same star. How is light bended? Surely it is not affected by gravity, it's ENERGY! Unless it is affected by a force like dark matter or another form of gravity. If you believe in the wormhole theory which states that all matter absorbed by a black hole is flung out in another dimension, surely it is possible that the laws of physics are different there, maybe some of their matter entered this dimension via white hole (other end of black hole) and has stayed around as Energy.

Please post arguments for or against this proposal.

I could start ranting on about how your conceptualization of the universe is purely "gibberish", but I wouldn't want to do that.    Let's just say your facts are a bit incorrect, shall we? 

All right, I'll start. Energy is matter, and vice versa. You can convert matter into energy and energy into matte through something called antimatter. When that comes in contact with "normal" matter, it balances out and produces a small force, and 100% of the energy unlocked is used, theoretically.

There is no such thing as a "white hole", any black hole is connected through another black hole into a parallel universe. So it is not another dimension that wormholes transport you to, but rather a parallel universe, one of infinity. So already that states that the "special energy" that shows up as bending light is impossible, at each time you travel through a wormhole you travel back to another universe. The chance that you go back to the universe you came from is 1/infinity, sometimes referred to as zero.

It's not as if black holes suck everything in(including light) in the general vicinity, there is an event horizon or the point of no return. You can go right around a black hole away from the event horizon and orbit it. A black hole is nothing special, just something with high mass that at the center has a puncture through space-time.

The dimensions all technically have the same physics, it's just that the context is different. The fourth dimension is the same as the 3rd as the 2nd as the 1st, it's just that at the 1st dimension you couldn't see anything else.

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Repto wrote:

shamrocker wrote:

demosthenes wrote:

Light is affected by gravity. E = MC^2 Therefore energy is, in a very real sense, mass (assuming you define the speed of light as 1). Because light has "mass" it can be affected by gravity.

I'm also pretty sure, however, that light photons have no mass so I'm not quite sure how that works . . . I haven't gotten there in my book yet.

Light has mass. Virtual Experiment:
If you where to survive and be right next to the end of the universe, and you shined a flashlight at it, would the light wrap around the universe, grow the universe, or would it just stay there? All of those mean that it has mass. But, another theory is that it would float, no matter where you shine it. You could shine it one way and then shut it off, I could still be there. You could turn it another way, it would just spread. Who knows what would happen? :3

The universe is infinitely large... or is it

It's not. Studies prove(I just LOVE saying that)that the universe is growing due to the galaxies moving backward from the Big Bang.

demosthenes wrote:

Light does not have mass. However, energy functions very similarly to mass, it can do all the things you described because it has energy.

Light does in fact have mass. It is this very reason that scientists thought Jupiter was so much smaller than it really was for a lot of time - the light was being twisted by Jupiter's gravitational pull, bending around Jupiter, making it seem a whole lot smaller than it really is.

Anyways, this sounds like a discussion that may belong in the Astrogeek Union forum! (Here it is.)

(Oh, and @Shamrocker: The universe is expanding due to energy from Dark Matter and Dark Energy)

demosthenes wrote:

coolstuff wrote:

demosthenes wrote:

Light does not have mass. However, energy functions very similarly to mass, it can do all the things you described because it has energy.

Light does in fact have mass. It is this very reason that scientists thought Jupiter was so much smaller than it really was for a lot of time - the light was being twisted by Jupiter's gravitational pull, bending around Jupiter, making it seem a whole lot smaller than it really is.

Anyways, this sounds like a discussion that may belong in the Astrogeek Union forum! (Here it is.)

(Oh, and @Shamrocker: The universe is expanding due to energy from Dark Matter and Dark Energy)

It does not have mass.

Why because of what you said does light have mass? The phenomenon you described was caused by the curvature of space-time.

Hm... Then my art teacher told me something very wrong 
Actually, if the particle has energy, it therefore should have mass, considering Einstein's Theory of Relativity, where Energy is equal to Mass times the Speed of Light squared. Thus, technically, light does have mass, considering it consists of photons, which have energy.

Last edited by coolstuff (2010-06-06 19:14:36)

demosthenes wrote:

coolstuff wrote:

demosthenes wrote:

It does not have mass.

Why because of what you said does light have mass? The phenomenon you described was caused by the curvature of space-time.

Hm... Then my art teacher told me something very wrong 
Actually, if the particle has energy, it therefore should have mass, considering Einstein's Theory of Relativity, where Energy is equal to Mass times the Speed of Light squared. Thus, technically, light does have mass, considering it consists of photons, which have energy.

I thought the same thing until my brother (who is in college) explained to me that Einstein's theory is used to determine the amount of pure energy you get when you convert matter to energy, it does not apply to the situation we are in.


And middle/high school teachers are notorious for their lies 

  Yeah, I was thinking while I was writing that that you were going to use that same reasoning that it's for mass-energy conversions that Einstein's theory is applicable. Thanks for clearing that up; I wasn't quite sure.

I find these particular branches of physics to be really interesting... Which of course, is why I created the AGU Forums 

Greatdane wrote:

Repto wrote:

Every week if this is successful I will post a slogan which has a bit to offer on each side. I will then explain the slogan and how it could possibly be real.

This weeks is:

                             "Energy is Matter from another world"

How on earth could this be real, well, when monitoring black holes, scientists discovered that black holes are visible as they sort of bend light around them so you see two of the same star. How is light bended? Surely it is not affected by gravity, it's ENERGY! Unless it is affected by a force like dark matter or another form of gravity. If you believe in the wormhole theory which states that all matter absorbed by a black hole is flung out in another dimension, surely it is possible that the laws of physics are different there, maybe some of their matter entered this dimension via white hole (other end of black hole) and has stayed around as Energy.

Please post arguments for or against this proposal.

I could start ranting on about how your conceptualization of the universe is purely "gibberish", but I wouldn't want to do that.    Let's just say your facts are a bit incorrect, shall we? 

All right, I'll start. Energy is matter, and vice versa. You can convert matter into energy and energy into matte through something called antimatter. When that comes in contact with "normal" matter, it balances out and produces a small force, and 100% of the energy unlocked is used, theoretically.

There is no such thing as a "white hole", any black hole is connected through another black hole into a parallel universe. So it is not another dimension that wormholes transport you to, but rather a parallel universe, one of infinity. So already that states that the "special energy" that shows up as bending light is impossible, at each time you travel through a wormhole you travel back to another universe. The chance that you go back to the universe you came from is 1/infinity, sometimes referred to as zero.

It's not as if black holes suck everything in(including light) in the general vicinity, there is an event horizon or the point of no return. You can go right around a black hole away from the event horizon and orbit it. A black hole is nothing special, just something with high mass that at the center has a puncture through space-time.

The dimensions all technically have the same physics, it's just that the context is different. The fourth dimension is the same as the 3rd as the 2nd as the 1st, it's just that at the 1st dimension you couldn't see anything else.

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Do you actually believe that that's my belief of how the universe works? I just posted it to see what peoples reactions would be!