Scratch

dav09 wrote:

i really hope i get to join, my reasons are on the last page 

Don't worry - you will  . Just it will take a long while.

P.S. (to everyone): I'm at my friend's place for a B-day party, and there will be a sleepover, so I won't be able to reply to many of you right now. Sorry 

Looks good    I will probably make an account.

Jonathanpb wrote:

steppenwulf wrote:

Looks good    I will probably make an account.

You have to ask for one. 
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These are the people that want to join:

archmage
bharvey
coolstuff
dav09
demosthenes
scmb1
steppenwulf (?)
WeirdF

8 people... should we make the accounts now, or wait for more people?
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There's an article about becoming a contributor to the wiki - you can view it here. 

I know you and I aren't on good terms, John, but I at least assumed you wouldn't ignore me out of proffesional courtesy.

Jonathanpb wrote:

steppenwulf wrote:

Looks good    I will probably make an account.

You have to ask for one. 
...
These are the people that want to join:

archmage
bharvey
coolstuff
dav09
demosthenes
scmb1
steppenwulf (?)
WeirdF

8 people... should we make the accounts now, or wait for more people?
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There's an article about becoming a contributor to the wiki - you can view it here. 

Not all of those people have directly asked to become a contributor. Not to be mean, but we just shouldn't assume things.   

(typing on iphone)

Also, they should have answered the questions on why you want to become a contributor, and how they plan to help, if they haven't done that yet.

Last edited by Lucario621 (2010-06-06 07:01:00)

I'm sorry I haven't replied to all of your applications everyone - but just with 2 sentences even, I can guarentee that most of you will get in  . As for andrew and bharvey, I'll reply later when I have a computer, not a touch screen, because it sure takes a LONG time to make these messages!

@Jonathanpb: Nah nah nah, it's ok. I'm just checking...

Here's the list so far:

archmage
bharvey
Blade-Edge
coolstuff
dav09
demosthenes
scmb1
steppenwulf
WeirdF

I guess I'll start talking to andres about giving them accounts 
WeirdF

Jonathanpb wrote:

Blade-Edge wrote:

Jonathanpb wrote:

You have to ask for one. 
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These are the people that want to join:

archmage
bharvey
coolstuff
dav09
demosthenes
scmb1
steppenwulf (?)
WeirdF

8 people... should we make the accounts now, or wait for more people?
...
There's an article about becoming a contributor to the wiki - you can view it here. 

I know you and I aren't on good terms, John, but I at least assumed you wouldn't ignore me out of proffesional courtesy.

All you said was "Hey, I had an account there too  "... that doesn't mean that you wanted to join.    But you want to join... I'll add you. 

Aren't on good terms? Let's forget it. Friends! 

Sure, but I don't really wanna join now

bharvey wrote:

Lucario621 wrote:

Ever heard of 'private wikis'

Yeah, there are lots of wikis with a small community of interested people.  But I haven't seen many examples of wikis that are widely read but not widely writeable, although I'm sure there must be some -- anything that can happen, does, sooner or later.

Your examples convince me that people should have to log in to edit.  But the signed examples in your collection were apparently all one person.  It'd be too bad if we can't deal with a small number of problem users without losing a great opportunity for community building.

I don't think it matters if the person has an account or not (signed or unsigned) - they still get the same consequences - so that wouldn't really matter in my examples...

bharvey wrote:

It's just like the real world (although with the stakes not so high): if you let yourself be terrified, then the terrorists win.

Right now, with the wiki just starting, the article topics are kind of bland.  What you get by letting everyone contribute is more idiosyncratic topics.  How to do sideways scrolling.  Creative uses of the camera feature.  Good and bad programming style.  Using other people's characters in your projects.  How much violence makes a project "inappropriate"?  What does the copyight law say about putting a music clip in a project?  Collected statistics about Scratchers.  You won't get articles like those with a top-down organization.

*looks up idiosyncratic in the dictionary*

Ohhhh - interesting. Yeah... you're right... It sure would give more variety to the wiki.

bharvey wrote:

Lucario621 wrote:

Also, we don't want to have to ban users - it seems a little harsh, considering how often people are already being banned on the website.

But instead you, in effect, ban everyone!  Now that's what I'd call harsh.  It's an example of "collective punishment": somebody wrote a bad word on the bathroom wall, so the whole class doesn't get recess today.

I never thought of it that way D: I mean, that's how it works these days... but still you're right.

bharvey wrote:

Please don't feel personally attacked, by the way -- we're having, I hope, a friendly discussion about how best to build the community we all love.

It's ok - even I'm still learning  .

bharvey wrote:

But this open/closed thing is an issue I feel strongly about.  Right now, here at Berkeley where I teach undergraduates, there is a constant battle between the system staff and the students because the latter unplug the lab computers to plug in their laptops (even though the staff supply outlets for that purpose, sigh).  The staff threaten punishments and the students pretty much ignore them.  By contrast, when I was a high school teacher and got to run the computer lab however I wanted, I gave kids keys to the room and put them in charge of making it work, and no equipment was ever stolen or damaged.  You tend to get the kind of behavior you plan for, I think.

Interesting!

Overall, you have persuaded me towards your side - I think we should allow anonymous users to edit. It would be a ton of work - but it would arguably pay off.

I added a segment on the front page for the wiki!

I used the image of Gobo as the logo but I think it would be great if someone made a better logo.

Perhaps something combining the Wikipedia logo and the Scratch logo?

The only requirement is that it has to be very small, the same size of the little Gobo: 35x24 pixels.

I agree with bharvey!

Allowing everyone to edit things is what separates Wikipedia from Encyclopedia Britannica.

I'm glad bharvey has managed to convince you Lucario    It will mean a lot of work to keep everything in check (a lot of work that 500,000+ users will help you with), but it will dramatically improve the wiki 

dav09 wrote:

dav09 wrote:

hey, did u get an account already? Are they giving accounts out at the moment?

does anyone know this?

They are not.

Lucario621 wrote:

dav09 wrote:

Lucario621 wrote:

About signing up, see the message I just posted 

I see your idea - but one thing is, that users without accounts might become jealous that they can't created articles about their own projects. Secondly, it goes against our policy on no articles on projects or users (not counting Scratch Wiki account users).

Yeah might get messy... with spam

could I become a contributer? Thanks 



Also I really like this new wiki, well done, appreciate the time and effort

It's great that you want to be a contributor! But to help us with our decision, it would help if you could answer the following two questions:

-Why do you want to join the Scratch Wiki?
-How would you help the Scratch Wiki by becoming a contributor?

Thanks!

I wish to join to contribute pages EG scratcher series

I probably could help by my knowladge on pages currently not made, I also have page ideas. (I won't give out any examples for my ideas to avoid plagarism)

andresmh wrote:

I added a segment on the front page for the wiki!

I used the image of Gobo as the logo but I think it would be great if someone made a better logo.

Perhaps something combining the Wikipedia logo and the Scratch logo?

The only requirement is that it has to be very small, the same size of the little Gobo: 35x24 pixels.

Awesome!

I'm working on a logo