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#476 2010-05-19 14:05:52

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

bharvey wrote:

Isn't that how we were going to solve the problem of duplicating a sprite...

cool

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#477 2010-05-19 15:37:41

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In the Script variables block, once you go past 'z' it goes to 'foo' 'bar' 'baz' 'z1' 'z2' and so on


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#478 2010-05-19 15:49:58

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ScratchReallyROCKS wrote:

In the Script variables block, once you go past 'z' it goes to 'foo' 'bar' 'baz' 'z1' 'z2' and so on

Yeah, that's a feature, not a bug.  smile

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metasyntactic_variable


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#479 2010-05-19 16:06:50

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bharvey wrote:

Yeah, that's a feature, not a bug.  smile

I know I already read the thing.


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#480 2010-05-19 16:30:45

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To Bharvey

Wonderful, it works. See the result at the same address.

The trick is that inside the script cmd must not to be "grayed", but the command POW Void 4 must be grayed when it is a variable input

It's the same problem as in Logo the difference between :arg and "arg

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#481 2010-05-19 21:15:31

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Ha! In your tools project you made a script that says things in Pig Latin!


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#482 2010-05-19 21:31:11

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ScratchReallyROCKS wrote:

Ha! In your tools project you made a script that says things in Pig Latin!

And a block that does it a different way!  tongue


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#483 2010-05-19 21:40:35

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bharvey wrote:

And a block that does it a different way!  tongue

Oh, I found the other one!  tongue

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#484 2010-05-19 22:58:34

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bharvey wrote:

Skinny Gobo:

http://byob.berkeley.edu/gobo4.gif

Fat Gobo:

http://byob.berkeley.edu/fat-gobo.gif

What do the rest of you think?

The fat one should be use for the Windows icon and the skinny one should be used for the actual BYOB program.

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#485 2010-05-19 23:52:10

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

shadow_7283 wrote:

The fat one should be use for the Windows icon and the skinny one should be used for the actual BYOB program.

Oh, is that what you meant?  I'll leave this for Jens, who's in charge of Windows icons.  Why does it matter about the icon?  Probably I'm missing something by having a dark screen background.  smile


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#486 2010-05-20 06:50:33

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Why do you keep saying Windows? What about Mac?


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#487 2010-05-20 07:43:17

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Hehe, because Brian's in charge for the Mac package  smile


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#488 2010-05-20 09:36:07

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I heard about Scratch Day in Berkley. I can't decide to go to the one in San Mateo or your BOYB discussion in Berkley. Maybe I will go to the BOYB discussion.

I don't understand much of the things in BYOB currently, but the block building feature is awesome! I yearned to make functions in Scratch and here they are!


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#489 2010-05-20 10:07:41

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Greatdane wrote:

I heard about Scratch Day in Berkley. I can't decide to go to the one in San Mateo or your BOYB discussion in Berkley. Maybe I will go to the BYOB discussion.

Yeah, it's a hard choice.  My plan is to go to Maker Faire on Sunday -- you should definitely go one day or the other.  smile   But I'd be glad to meet you!  My event is going to be really small, only two people are coming so far.


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#490 2010-05-20 11:38:21

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

bharvey wrote:

Greatdane wrote:

I heard about Scratch Day in Berkley. I can't decide to go to the one in San Mateo or your BOYB discussion in Berkley. Maybe I will go to the BYOB discussion.

Yeah, it's a hard choice.  My plan is to go to Maker Faire on Sunday -- you should definitely go one day or the other.  smile   But I'd be glad to meet you!  My event is going to be really small, only two people are coming so far.

Sometimes smaller is better.


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#491 2010-05-20 17:00:20

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

bharvey wrote:

shadow_7283 wrote:

The fat one should be use for the Windows icon and the skinny one should be used for the actual BYOB program.

Oh, is that what you meant?  I'll leave this for Jens, who's in charge of Windows icons.  Why does it matter about the icon?  Probably I'm missing something by having a dark screen background.  smile

The icon on Windows has a really thin, not so pretty border that is small because the image is shrunk. There are also white pixels along the edge. I suggested thickening the border like the Scratch icon. But not the actual sprite.
http://i47.tinypic.com/219tgl0.png
The icon currently looks like that.

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#492 2010-05-20 19:10:24

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shadow_7283 wrote:

The icon on Windows has a really thin, not so pretty border that is small because the image is shrunk.

Oh, I see.  Jens's idea is to use this:

http://byob.berkeley.edu/gobo_eyes.gif

in contexts where the picture will be small.  That should be in the next installer.


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#493 2010-05-20 19:52:46

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I'm perfectly fine with the way the icon looks right now (not that I really care what it looks like) because my dock minimizes so I don't really have to look at it at all unless I click on it.

↑I think that's a run on sentence↑ Oh well. I'm not in English class right now so I don't have to werie.


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#494 2010-05-20 22:52:55

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

bharvey wrote:

shadow_7283 wrote:

The icon on Windows has a really thin, not so pretty border that is small because the image is shrunk.

Oh, I see.  Jens's idea is to use this:

http://byob.berkeley.edu/gobo_eyes.gif

in contexts where the picture will be small.  That should be in the next installer.

I have an idea about this, but it's too lengthy to explain...

EDIT: I thought I'd try and think up a clever icon but after fifteen minutes of drawing Gobo I instead discovered that I am a very strange person: http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/4600/gobomadness.png

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#495 2010-05-21 00:08:01

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

Version 2.99.013 at http://byob.berkeley.edu  with a debugger!  See the release notes (there's a link) for details.  Yay!

P.S. Jens will be off the net on vacation for two weeks.

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#496 2010-05-21 00:10:26

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fullmoon wrote:

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Somebody did read the Church numerals project!  What did you think?

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#497 2010-05-21 03:16:55

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BYOB3 Tutorial 3, Recursion, is now available at http://byob.berkeley.edu or in two parts on the Scratch web site.  Probably most people reading this forum already know most or all of what's in this one.  There will be an "advanced recursion" tutorial later but not for a while.  smile


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#498 2010-05-21 05:14:10

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Yay, tutorials!  big_smile

Um... on the certificate (at the bottom of the webpage), the last two letters in my username are capitalized. Can you please uncapitalize them? ^_^ The certificate is awesome, though!  smile

EDIT: The_Whiz is supposed to be The-Whiz, also.  wink

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#499 2010-05-21 07:47:13

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

Can i suggest adding help file for the new blocks, i don't have a clue what the debug blocks are supposed to be used for. Either that or a tutorial.


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#500 2010-05-21 08:14:30

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

bharvey wrote:

Somebody did read the Church numerals project!  What did you think?

What do I think? The danged thing is driving me crazy! I'll get it eventually!


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