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Did you actually read the articles? It states that ROMs are indeed legal.

silverninja wrote:

Well, just read this: http://www.gameboy-advance.net/site/legal_info.htm

Discuss.

I have known that. What I hate is that you have to own the actual game. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of a rom?

silverninja wrote:

zawicki1fromyoutube wrote:

silverninja wrote:

Well, just read this: http://www.gameboy-advance.net/site/legal_info.htm

Discuss.

I have known that. What I hate is that you have to own the actual game. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of a rom?

Sometimes it's more convienent. And its not like the police are going to hunt you down, or are stalking you.

(cough)

However, the actual games are illegal to have unless you somehow backup them yourself with a legally owned game

Last edited by mkolpnji (2010-05-05 21:47:38)

cocoanut wrote:

Technically, it's not "backing up" software. I tend to trust the video game companies themselves with this stuff, as not to make them angry, even if it's not true. I usually buy Nintendo games, which is why I just look at the Nintendo legal page.

Excerpt from Nintendo Legal Page

Can I Download a Nintendo ROM from the Internet if I Already Own the Authentic Game?

There is a good deal of misinformation on the Internet regarding the backup/archival copy exception. It is not a "second copy" rule and is often mistakenly cited for the proposition that if you have one lawful copy of a copyrighted work, you are entitled to have a second copy of the copyrighted work even if that second copy is an infringing copy. The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction of the authentic. Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet.

For people that got bored/don't like legal talk/stopped at a wall of text.

Yup, we knew this.... well some of us did as long as you own the game.

soupoftomato wrote:

cocoanut wrote:

Technically, it's not "backing up" software. I tend to trust the video game companies themselves with this stuff, as not to make them angry, even if it's not true. I usually buy Nintendo games, which is why I just look at the Nintendo legal page.

Excerpt from Nintendo Legal Page

Can I Download a Nintendo ROM from the Internet if I Already Own the Authentic Game?

There is a good deal of misinformation on the Internet regarding the backup/archival copy exception. It is not a "second copy" rule and is often mistakenly cited for the proposition that if you have one lawful copy of a copyrighted work, you are entitled to have a second copy of the copyrighted work even if that second copy is an infringing copy. The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction of the authentic. Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet.

For people that got bored/don't like legal talk/stopped at a wall of text.

I thought this proved it WASN'T legal?

WAIT A MINUTE!!! This means that if you program the emulator by yourself, it is not illegal, right?

mkolpnji wrote:

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The emulator itself is legal.
Additionally, if you back up the game yourself, it is indeed legal.

That nintendo thing only states that it is illegal to DOWNLOAD and play a rom from the internet.

Oh dear "deletes all the roms he has*

Hang on, if you own the game you have actually payed for it. Restore! Restore!

mkolpnji wrote:

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The emulator itself is legal.
Additionally, if you back up the game yourself, it is indeed legal.

That nintendo thing only states that it is illegal to DOWNLOAD and play a rom from the internet.

That's what I was talking about, duh. You said this:

mklodjawhatever wrote:

However, the actual games are illegal to have unless you somehow backup them yourself with a legally owned game

and he said this:

silverninja wrote:

Did you actually read the articles? It states that ROMs are indeed legal.

and zawicki said this:

zawicki1fromyoutube wrote:

What I hate is that you have to own the actual game. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of a rom?

which are all wrong, so I cleared it up. I was stating the obvious truth.

mkolpnji wrote:

That's only if you backed it up yourself using some sort of back-up software.

That's wrong too.

Excerpt from the Nintendo Legal Page:

Are Game Copying Devices Illegal?

Yes. Game copiers enable users to illegally copy video game software onto floppy disks, writeable compact disks or the hard drive of a personal computer. They enable the user to make, play and distribute illegal copies of video game software which violates Nintendo's copyrights and trademarks. These devices also allow for the uploading and downloading of ROMs to and from the Internet. Based upon the functions of these devices, they are illegal.

Last edited by cocoanut (2010-05-06 19:27:44)

In nintendo's info about emulators there is a lot about "Illegally downloaded roms".

Actually, if you've got the right drive you can get your owned game onto your computer without infringing any copyright laws, as many modern emulators are planned to work with. Emulators also most of the time require you to own the original console to use console functionality, by dumping the bios with your own tools and whatnot.

If you illegally download, than shame on you. 

cocoanut wrote:

RHY3756547 wrote:

In nintendo's info about emulators there is a lot about "Illegally downloaded roms".

Actually, if you've got the right drive you can get your owned game onto your computer without infringing any copyright laws, as many modern emulators are planned to work with. Emulators also most of the time require you to own the original console to use console functionality, by dumping the bios with your own tools and whatnot.

If you illegally download, than shame on you. 

Yeah, but most people like to play old games if they use ROMs, cause they can't find the system or the game. Like cartridge games. And if you want to make your own copy of that on the computer.... (As I've said before, because no one listens to me)

Excerpt from the Nintendo Legal Page:

Are Game Copying Devices Illegal?

Yes. Game copiers enable users to illegally copy video game software onto floppy disks, writeable compact disks or the hard drive of a personal computer. They enable the user to make, play and distribute illegal copies of video game software which violates Nintendo's copyrights and trademarks. These devices also allow for the uploading and downloading of ROMs to and from the Internet. Based upon the functions of these devices, they are illegal.

I'm pretty sure people using emulators won't illegally distribute the games (what is the point?) and won't have to burn it to disc to create illegal copies because they already have a real copy and can play it on said emulator (burning not required).

Last edited by RHY3756547 (2010-05-06 19:59:19)

cocoanut wrote:

RHY3756547 wrote:

cocoanut wrote:

Yeah, but most people like to play old games if they use ROMs, cause they can't find the system or the game. Like cartridge games. And if you want to make your own copy of that on the computer.... (As I've said before, because no one listens to me)

Excerpt from the Nintendo Legal Page:

Are Game Copying Devices Illegal?

Yes. Game copiers enable users to illegally copy video game software onto floppy disks, writeable compact disks or the hard drive of a personal computer. They enable the user to make, play and distribute illegal copies of video game software which violates Nintendo's copyrights and trademarks. These devices also allow for the uploading and downloading of ROMs to and from the Internet. Based upon the functions of these devices, they are illegal.

I'm pretty sure people using emulators won't illegally distribute the games (what is the point?) and won't have to burn it to disc to create illegal copies because they already have a real copy and can play it on said emulator (burning not required).

Did you read the entire post?

Ugh. YES I read the entire post.

Just to tell you...
Nintendo is quite... uh. paranoid about emulators.

It is indeed legal to backup things if you have the software yourself, however, nintendo states that it's illegal to do that.

However, this is incorrect, that is for most countries.

Some games companies, such as Nintendo, print warnings inside their game manuals that they do not allow users to make backup or archival copies. Whether or not these warnings in this specific form can be considered valid contracts is legally questionable. For an overview of relevant issues, see user agreement (EULA), shrink wrap contract, clickwrap, Fair Use, Fair Dealing and DMCA.

The US is one of the countries that prohibits backing up games.