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#1 2008-05-26 19:02:17

zachandrew0123
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Whats up with the good projects???????

If you have just started scratch then you will NOT understand

What happened to all of the great projects?I have NOT seen a project as good as they used to be (1-3 months ago)

I have also noticed that zelda123 has QUIT or something
tanner-fbi has not been making good projects like he used to (no offense, its just my opinion)
heybrian, you can not keep track of and has not made a good game or prject since the naruto adventure thing (again no offense)

Whats Up?????

DO YOU AGREE?
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#2 2008-05-26 19:13:44

archmage
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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

Ok, I have been on scratch for almost a year now and I think that the quality of projects has gone way up. Now a lot more of the more complex projects are showing up. Things can only go up from now on  smile


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#3 2008-05-26 19:14:00

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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

You know, I CAME here a few monthes ago. Games don't matter as art and animations get more popular. I mean, that's my opinion, but games DO seem like they are getting better, even though I don't play them.

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#4 2008-05-26 19:46:31

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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

Im making something right now.


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#5 2008-05-26 19:50:54

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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

Yeah, I agree games are getting more complex, although that may be a reason as to why they are going downhill. I mean, look at the most loved game by 100 love its. It is a simple game that almost any of the best scratchers can put together in an hour. The reason it is so great is because of its grapghics which are better than most flash games. If graphics in games got better, more people would like them.

Also, alot of the newer projects havn't caught on yet. All of the best ones with the most views have been on for 6+ months, which gives them a huge advantage over the newer ones. Also, scratch has more members now, which means more projects. More projects means less of a chance to see the others.

Also, Zelda123 is still on. I saw a comment from her on a thread created today. Perhaps she/he is just working on a huge project or taking a break from scratch.

I think that rather than there arn't any good projects, they are just getting hidden by the onslaught of okay and put-together-in-2-minutes projects.

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#6 2008-05-26 20:05:23

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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

I'm the pretty much the last person creating really good games, I agree with you, and if you thought tanner-FBI was good wait till you see my games, I'm in progress of making a really good mario game, I'm the first user to make a SSSS (side scrolling split screen) game, through combat and warlords, combat includes 6 weapons, 6 stages, and a total of 8 settings, probably the best multiplayer game online or maybe frantic frenzy a co-op/ wave battle game where you fight off tons of enemies through 10 waves, anyway I could go on for awhile, but I suggest you look at my games if you want good games, one more thing
colkadome is a newer user, but has impressive skills and he's made some good games, some things I couldn't think of


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#7 2008-05-26 20:22:01

zachandrew0123
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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

dingdong wrote:

I'm the pretty much the last person creating really good games, I agree with you, and if you thought tanner-FBI was good wait till you see my games, I'm in progress of making a really good mario game, I'm the first user to make a SSSS (side scrolling split screen) game, through combat and warlords, combat includes 6 weapons, 6 stages, and a total of 8 settings, probably the best multiplayer game online or maybe frantic frenzy a co-op/ wave battle game where you fight off tons of enemies through 10 waves, anyway I could go on for awhile, but I suggest you look at my games if you want good games, one more thing
colkadome is a newer user, but has impressive skills and he's made some good games, some things I couldn't think of

i have no doubt that u are the best scratcher

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#8 2008-05-26 20:56:17

Sakani
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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

zachandrew0123 wrote:

dingdong wrote:

I'm the pretty much the last person creating really good games, I agree with you, and if you thought tanner-FBI was good wait till you see my games, I'm in progress of making a really good mario game, I'm the first user to make a SSSS (side scrolling split screen) game, through combat and warlords, combat includes 6 weapons, 6 stages, and a total of 8 settings, probably the best multiplayer game online or maybe frantic frenzy a co-op/ wave battle game where you fight off tons of enemies through 10 waves, anyway I could go on for awhile, but I suggest you look at my games if you want good games, one more thing
colkadome is a newer user, but has impressive skills and he's made some good games, some things I couldn't think of

i have no doubt that u are the best scratcher

Nor do i. I think if theres one scatcher who actually is still making good games its Dingdong.


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#9 2008-05-26 20:58:59

coolstuff
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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

Sakani wrote:

zachandrew0123 wrote:

dingdong wrote:

I'm the pretty much the last person creating really good games, I agree with you, and if you thought tanner-FBI was good wait till you see my games, I'm in progress of making a really good mario game, I'm the first user to make a SSSS (side scrolling split screen) game, through combat and warlords, combat includes 6 weapons, 6 stages, and a total of 8 settings, probably the best multiplayer game online or maybe frantic frenzy a co-op/ wave battle game where you fight off tons of enemies through 10 waves, anyway I could go on for awhile, but I suggest you look at my games if you want good games, one more thing
colkadome is a newer user, but has impressive skills and he's made some good games, some things I couldn't think of

i have no doubt that u are the best scratcher

Nor do i. I think if theres one scatcher who actually is still making good games its Dingdong.

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#10 2008-05-26 21:11:41

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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

I like to think that I still make good projects/games; in fact, my skills are steadily getting better and better. I try to never upload a game or project until it's practically glitch-free offline, and always try to fix it if it doesn't work online. And I guarantee you my next game, currently in the works, will be my best yet =P

As for the whole "art makes a game more popular" thing, I think for a game to be truly good, it has to have good graphics, sound (!), and gameplay. Obviously gameplay is the most important thing, but I've always felt a game looks much more polished and complete with high-quality graphics. I also think that music and SFX are very important to the game, and this is often overlooked.

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#11 2008-05-26 22:55:43

archmage
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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

Bobby500 wrote:

The reason it is so great is because of its grapghics which are better than most flash games. If graphics in games got better, more people would like them.

I am sorry, but the diffrences between flash and scratch go way beyond graphic quality.

Here are some things that flash has over scratch:

sprite duplication
arrays
you can save data
easier to make animations
diffrent variable types
you can move a sprite without lag (all move block have a wait in them)
and the list goes on...

It is obvious that scratch was not developed to be a tool for games development.

Graphics isn't really that much of a problem becuase you can import nice looking pictures into scratch.


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#12 2008-05-26 23:04:07

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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

Sakani wrote:

zachandrew0123 wrote:

dingdong wrote:

I'm the pretty much the last person creating really good games, I agree with you, and if you thought tanner-FBI was good wait till you see my games, I'm in progress of making a really good mario game, I'm the first user to make a SSSS (side scrolling split screen) game, through combat and warlords, combat includes 6 weapons, 6 stages, and a total of 8 settings, probably the best multiplayer game online or maybe frantic frenzy a co-op/ wave battle game where you fight off tons of enemies through 10 waves, anyway I could go on for awhile, but I suggest you look at my games if you want good games, one more thing
colkadome is a newer user, but has impressive skills and he's made some good games, some things I couldn't think of

i have no doubt that u are the best scratcher

Nor do i. I think if theres one scatcher who actually is still making good games its Dingdong.

OMG! thanx! I really never get complments like that! thanx!  big_smile   big_smile   big_smile


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#13 2008-05-26 23:05:17

dingdong
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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

archmage wrote:

Bobby500 wrote:

The reason it is so great is because of its grapghics which are better than most flash games. If graphics in games got better, more people would like them.

I am sorry, but the diffrences between flash and scratch go way beyond graphic quality.

Here are some things that flash has over scratch:

sprite duplication
arrays
you can save data
easier to make animations
diffrent variable types
you can move a sprite without lag (all move block have a wait in them)
and the list goes on...

It is obvious that scratch was not developed to be a tool for games development.

Graphics isn't really that much of a problem becuase you can import nice looking pictures into scratch.

many a time have I said this, scratch isn't good, it can't barely process a mini-game


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#14 2008-05-27 01:44:14

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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

dingdong wrote:

archmage wrote:

Bobby500 wrote:

The reason it is so great is because of its grapghics which are better than most flash games. If graphics in games got better, more people would like them.

I am sorry, but the diffrences between flash and scratch go way beyond graphic quality.

Here are some things that flash has over scratch:

sprite duplication
arrays
you can save data
easier to make animations
diffrent variable types
you can move a sprite without lag (all move block have a wait in them)
and the list goes on...

It is obvious that scratch was not developed to be a tool for games development.

Graphics isn't really that much of a problem becuase you can import nice looking pictures into scratch.

many a time have I said this, scratch isn't good, it can't barely process a mini-game

Scratch is good, but good for educating.  wink


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#15 2008-05-27 03:25:18

SonicPops
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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

I never get compliments...lucky you, dingdong  sad

Aaaah....I'm not as popular as I was back then, I guess things have changed...  sad
I guess that's just the way things are.


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#16 2008-05-27 06:08:35

Bobby500
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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

dingdong wrote:

archmage wrote:

Bobby500 wrote:

The reason it is so great is because of its grapghics which are better than most flash games. If graphics in games got better, more people would like them.

I am sorry, but the diffrences between flash and scratch go way beyond graphic quality.

Here are some things that flash has over scratch:

sprite duplication
arrays
you can save data
easier to make animations
diffrent variable types
you can move a sprite without lag (all move block have a wait in them)
and the list goes on...

It is obvious that scratch was not developed to be a tool for games development.

Graphics isn't really that much of a problem becuase you can import nice looking pictures into scratch.

many a time have I said this, scratch isn't good, it can't barely process a mini-game

Wow, I caused quoting!

       Anyway, what I mean't was that game looked very polished, it only had one glitch and the glitch was in the benifit of the person playing and it was a simple concept. I think the person who made that game drew some of those sprites and I think the graphics and glitch-free gameplay are what made that game the most loved.

      I would not be surprised if I saw it on Armor games.

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#17 2008-05-27 07:47:34

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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

S65 wrote:

I like to think that I still make good projects/games; in fact, my skills are steadily getting better and better.

same here. i think that for people that have been on long enough, their games are getting better. but new people's games arent.


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#18 2008-05-27 10:47:55

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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

I totally agree that scratch is going down the drain. It all started with tannerfbi, whose games were fun but easy to make. Archmage, Paddle2see, dingdong, S65,  and TheGardian are still keeping thinks alive.


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#19 2008-05-27 10:48:56

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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

Alot of people make one good project and leave. Archery CHampion is the all thime top loved yet it is the only project that guy made.


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#20 2008-05-27 12:14:18

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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

SonicPops wrote:

I never get compliments...lucky you, dingdong  sad

Aaaah....I'm not as popular as I was back then, I guess things have changed...  sad
I guess that's just the way things are.

I'm not as popular as I was once either.  big_smile  Mainly because I shielded all my real projects by a thick layer of art...
I'm so glad I got rid of my popularity. It was really a pain. At least I don't recieve 200 messages a day, about 20 now.  wink


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#21 2008-05-27 12:27:40

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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

A lot of the genuinely top scratchers devote their time to processes rather than games, pushing the boundries of what scratch can do or looking for new ways of performing a task that improve upon the way others have done it.

If I make a game, its usually because I'm testing a unique idea, rather than because I'm trying to make a playable game.

EG my ninja scroller is generally held to be pretty good, but I only created it because I was looking for a new way of making a scrolling platform-style game whereby the map is created dynamically.  The same is true for my popular "3d dungeon adventure."


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#22 2008-05-27 18:40:39

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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

Scratch has been crashing alot, so i dont work as much.


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#23 2008-05-27 18:52:41

CFCRubiks
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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

I'm getting better, finding out new scrolling methods that are easier to understand

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#24 2008-05-27 19:33:34

Lanie
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Posts: 1000+

Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

I have to disagree, it doesnt matter who the person is. A new person who joins scratch could make a project better than any other person, it doesnt matter how long they been on scratch or how good there other projects are. it all goes by what they want to make and how other peoples opinion sees it. I think everyone can make a good project but in my eyes it will be different from others point of view. I have seen plenty of good projects in the past 2 months.

Final Say: I have to disagree

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#25 2008-05-28 14:04:26

mletreat
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Re: Whats up with the good projects???????

One of the things that makes this community great is that we see a wide range of skills, interests, and concepts.  Since we have people with all different types of experience and also users of all ages, we get to see a really unique range of creativity.

In this community it is our goal to foster learning via creative exploration for all types of users.  One of the ways we do this is to encourage first-time users and experienced users alike to share and receive feedback on their projects.  Since this can be an intimidating experience for some, we prefer to emphasize a positive/constructive learning experience, rather than defining what is good vs. bad.

As experienced users, you can help out newer users by offering advice and answering questions.  Mentoring is a great way to share your skills and help someone out at the same time.  It is great to see you all continue to support and respect one another in an effort to make everyone in the community feel welcome.  Keep up the great work!

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