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Stickman704 · 2010-05-02 15:53:27

Honestly it's as if gamers want to kill the artists on scratch!

In case you haven't noticed gamers, artists have feelings too. If all of the artists actually went on the fourms you would be heavily outnumberd and the artists would complain about the people who are making games.

So just make a second thought complaining about artists on scratch. If it's on the front page, it means that it's on there for a reason. I believe that most projects on the front page are now games anyway.

That's all this thread is. Don't completly bash artists. Art is a part of scratch. Art is one leg of the scratch community animal.

If you are going to reply, please calm down and think before you leap (post)

Flame away.... or rather don't.

Edits:

Friction:
1.Oh dear. I don't think that people are following the terms of use.

1. Be respectful. When sharing projects or posting comments, remember that people of many different ages and backgrounds will see your contributions.

2. Offer constructive comments. Instead of just criticizing a project or forum post, say what you like about it and offer suggestions on how to make it better.

Just think about what the artists or (we have a new faction that most people do not know it exists) the RPGists, would say to your post. Would they like it?

2.
Thank you for taking this topic with a mature manner, especially at the end of page 1 and 2. We all have differnt opinions.

Evidence:

Paddle2See wrote:
The Scratch Team is aware that there are tensions within the community but at this time there are no restrictions on the kinds of projects that are accepted (as long as they are appropriate). Please do not try and make different segments of the community feel that they are not welcome.

The MIT Media Lab, that created Scratch, is interested in enabling digital creativity in ALL forms - not just programming. The fact that art with music (and without it) has become so popular is an interesting aspect of the Scratch project that, while unexpected, is certainly welcome.

The treaty:
This ensures that no argument will ever come between any form of scratchers. You will respect other people's point of view about what they see as proper scratch and take it in a mature way.

People Who Have Signed wrote:
Stickman704
SilverSpine
Webgal15

Please make it clear whether you sign or not.

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Lucario621 · 2010-05-02 16:04:53

Yes, we're outnumbered, because all of the artists just care about 'having fun', 'socializing' and 'RPing'. Thus, they invite more friends to Scratch, who don't know about the real Scratch. It's a very gruesome cycle.

BWOG · 2010-05-02 16:07:29

Lucario621 wrote:
Yes, we're outnumbered, because all of the artists just care about 'having fun', 'socializing' and 'RPing'. Thus, they invite more friends to Scratch, who don't know about the real Scratch. It's a very gruesome cycle.

That is basically what I said in my thread which Paddle closed.

Stickman704 · 2010-05-02 16:09:40

Lucario621 wrote:
Yes, we're outnumbered, because all of the artists just care about 'having fun', 'socializing' and 'RPing'. Thus, they invite more friends to Scratch, who don't know about the real Scratch. It's a very gruesome cycle.

Real scratch.... there is no real scratch... neutral

It's a part of scratch. RPGing normally involves projects.

Socilizing is fine. That's why they created the comment system.

Just face it Luc, it's a part of scratch. There is too, games on the front page isn't there? I mean the RPG galleries arn't featured or anything. You could pretty much forget about them.

Stickman704 · 2010-05-02 16:11:31

BWOG wrote:
Lucario621 wrote:
Yes, we're outnumbered, because all of the artists just care about 'having fun', 'socializing' and 'RPing'. Thus, they invite more friends to Scratch, who don't know about the real Scratch. It's a very gruesome cycle.
That is basically what I said in my thread which Paddle closed.

Mainly because your facts were totally wrong tongue

cheddargirl · 2010-05-02 16:11:57

Paddle2See wrote:
The Scratch Team is aware that there are tensions within the community but at this time there are no restrictions on the kinds of projects that are accepted (as long as they are appropriate). Please do not try and make different segments of the community feel that they are not welcome.

The MIT Media Lab, that created Scratch, is interested in enabling digital creativity in ALL forms - not just programming. The fact that art with music (and without it) has become so popular is an interesting aspect of the Scratch project that, while unexpected, is certainly welcome.

I just thought I should post that, just in case no one saw it earlier. (see here).

Stickman704 · 2010-05-02 16:15:10

cheddargirl wrote:
Paddle2See wrote:
The Scratch Team is aware that there are tensions within the community but at this time there are no restrictions on the kinds of projects that are accepted (as long as they are appropriate). Please do not try and make different segments of the community feel that they are not welcome.

The MIT Media Lab, that created Scratch, is interested in enabling digital creativity in ALL forms - not just programming. The fact that art with music (and without it) has become so popular is an interesting aspect of the Scratch project that, while unexpected, is certainly welcome.
I just thought I should post that, just in case no one saw it earlier. (see here).

Thank you chedder. I'll add that to the first post.

Lucario621 · 2010-05-02 16:33:53

Stickman704 wrote:
Lucario621 wrote:
Yes, we're outnumbered, because all of the artists just care about 'having fun', 'socializing' and 'RPing'. Thus, they invite more friends to Scratch, who don't know about the real Scratch. It's a very gruesome cycle.
Real scratch.... there is no real scratch...

It's a part of scratch. RPGing normally involves projects.

Socilizing is fine. That's why they created the comment system.

Just face it Luc, it's a part of scratch. There is too, games on the front page isn't there? I mean the RPG galleries arn't featured or anything. You could pretty much forget about them.

No it wasn't.

Stickman704, you wouldn't understand. But don't feel bad - it's not your fault. If you joined Scratch in 2007, then you would understand what Scratch was really like. RPing wasn't a part of Scratch. And because of that, there were many, many, brilliant, creative, and interactive projects.

BWOG · 2010-05-02 16:36:18

Lucario621 wrote:
Stickman704 wrote:
Lucario621 wrote:
Yes, we're outnumbered, because all of the artists just care about 'having fun', 'socializing' and 'RPing'. Thus, they invite more friends to Scratch, who don't know about the real Scratch. It's a very gruesome cycle.
Real scratch.... there is no real scratch...

It's a part of scratch. RPGing normally involves projects.

Socilizing is fine. That's why they created the comment system.

Just face it Luc, it's a part of scratch. There is too, games on the front page isn't there? I mean the RPG galleries arn't featured or anything. You could pretty much forget about them.
No it wasn't.

Stickman704, you wouldn't understand. But don't feel bad - it's not your fault. If you joined Scratch in 2007, then you would understand what Scratch was really like. RPing wasn't a part of Scratch. And because of that, there were many, many, brilliant, creative, and interactive projects.

I know. There was that archery game that still amazes me today. There were tons of other good projects then too. Back then no one was chatting in the comments. Then, Scratch was a real programming language. How many times have you seen a flash file that was only a drawing with some music in the background?

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Lucario621 · 2010-05-02 16:37:58

And Stickman - although Paddle2See was arguably right, he didn't mention one thing. For some reason, within this community, the following is true:

Less work = More views
More work = Less views

We programmers, put actual programming work into our projects. We actually have to think (which some modern children still have to grasp) to make our projects, and make things work. This makes Scratch educational, and fun. Thus we work harder, and longer. Multiple hours, days, weeks, or months. Whereas - art? You make a drawing, that may take not too long. Then you import something from your iPod. Done. Now why does that get more credit? On a website that was designed for a fairly equal balance between games and interactive art, this is fairly unusual.

Lucario621 · 2010-05-02 16:39:17

BWOG wrote:
How many times have you seen a flash file that was only a drawing with some music in the background?

You haz made my day tongue

BWOG · 2010-05-02 16:40:05

Lucario621 wrote:
BWOG wrote:
How many times have you seen a flash file that was only a drawing with some music in the background?
You haz made my day

It is just proof that Scratch is not a real programming language.

Stickman704 · 2010-05-02 16:40:48

Lucario621 wrote:
Stickman704 wrote:
Lucario621 wrote:
Yes, we're outnumbered, because all of the artists just care about 'having fun', 'socializing' and 'RPing'. Thus, they invite more friends to Scratch, who don't know about the real Scratch. It's a very gruesome cycle.
Real scratch.... there is no real scratch...

It's a part of scratch. RPGing normally involves projects.

Socilizing is fine. That's why they created the comment system.

Just face it Luc, it's a part of scratch. There is too, games on the front page isn't there? I mean the RPG galleries arn't featured or anything. You could pretty much forget about them.
No it wasn't.

Stickman704, you wouldn't understand. But don't feel bad - it's not your fault. If you joined Scratch in 2007, then you would understand what Scratch was really like. RPing wasn't a part of Scratch. And because of that, there were many, many, brilliant, creative, and interactive projects.

There still is. The good makers moved on. Few remain.

Anyway You arn't taking a bite out of art are you? If not then what's your problem with this thread?

Stickman704 · 2010-05-02 16:44:05

BWOG wrote:
Lucario621 wrote:
BWOG wrote:
How many times have you seen a flash file that was only a drawing with some music in the background?
You haz made my day
It is just proof that Scratch is not a real programming language.

...It isn't.

"How many times have you seen a flash file that was only a drawing with some music in the background?"

That's because flash is more advanced.

"We programmers, put actual programming work into our projects. We actually have to think (which some modern children still have to grasp) to make our projects, and make things work. This makes Scratch educational, and fun. Thus we work harder, and longer. Multiple hours, days, weeks, or months."

Well why arn't you doing that then.

If you two are just going to flame this thread without a second thought, then please go away.

demosthenes · 2010-05-02 16:47:09

Stickman704 wrote:
BWOG wrote:
Lucario621 wrote:

You haz made my day
It is just proof that Scratch is not a real programming language.
...It isn't.

. . . It could be closer.

"How many times have you seen a flash file that was only a drawing with some music in the background?"

That's because flash is more advanced.

Why does that matter?

"We programmers, put actual programming work into our projects. We actually have to think (which some modern children still have to grasp) to make our projects, and make things work. This makes Scratch educational, and fun. Thus we work harder, and longer. Multiple hours, days, weeks, or months."

Well why arn't you doing that then.

They do . . .

If you two are just going to flame this thread without a second thought, then please go away.

They aren't flaming. They're posting opinions.

Lucario621 · 2010-05-02 16:48:32

Stickman704 wrote:
BWOG wrote:
Lucario621 wrote:

You haz made my day
It is just proof that Scratch is not a real programming language.
...It isn't.

Scratch IS a real programming language.

"How many times have you seen a flash file that was only a drawing with some music in the background?"

That's because flash is more advanced.

Scratch is very advanced. It has lots of list functions, and considering with BYOB, you can turn Scratch into an .exe file, you could make an actual program with Scratch!

"We programmers, put actual programming work into our projects. We actually have to think (which some modern children still have to grasp) to make our projects, and make things work. This makes Scratch educational, and fun. Thus we work harder, and longer. Multiple hours, days, weeks, or months."

Well why arn't you doing that then.

We are. Though we just ask for a little credit, at the minimum. But apparently we can't get that.

If you two are just going to flame this thread without a second thought, then please go away.

If you are just going to tell lies about Scratch and make a peace treaty that is unlikely to even work, than please delete this thread.

soupoftomato · 2010-05-02 16:49:37

The only thing I don't like about these treaties, is that they favor artist.

Be nice to the artist.
Treat the artist well.

I'll just sit here being called a random country named Prussia.

Stickman704 · 2010-05-02 16:50:56

demosthenes wrote:
Stickman704 wrote:
BWOG wrote:

It is just proof that Scratch is not a real programming language.
...It isn't.
. . . It could be closer.

At the end of the day, you can't achieve much with it. Just ask archmage.

"How many times have you seen a flash file that was only a drawing with some music in the background?"

That's because flash is more advanced.
Why does that matter?

meaning there is more people that post things on the web which are more advanced.

"We programmers, put actual programming work into our projects. We actually have to think (which some modern children still have to grasp) to make our projects, and make things work. This makes Scratch educational, and fun. Thus we work harder, and longer. Multiple hours, days, weeks, or months."

Well why arn't you doing that then.
They do . . .

and the have enough time to complain here?

If you two are just going to flame this thread without a second thought, then please go away.
They aren't flaming. They're posting opinions.

V. Close to flaming.

RHY3756547 · 2010-05-02 16:52:49

QWERTY spells "shush about this and get on with your lives".

coolstuff · 2010-05-02 17:21:59

This Artist vs. Gamer war really needs to stop. You have NO idea how annoying it is to the people in the middle ground. Seriously, if you don't like the art on the site, ignore it.

Lucario621 · 2010-05-02 17:30:30

coolstuff wrote:
This Artist vs. Gamer war really needs to stop. You have NO idea how annoying it is to the people in the middle ground. Seriously, if you don't like the art on the site, ignore it.

You can't just 'ignore it'. It doesn't work like that. It's more than that. First of all, for the obvious reason:

-A project may look like a game, but then you click it, and find out it's an art project

But because of all of the art, and the less part of interactive projects, it also means:

-People who put good, hard, long work into really good games, don't often get any credit or fame, whereas people who put announcement projects get on the front page automatically (practically)

So It's not like we don't want to stop it - it's just that this is an important situation.

soupoftomato · 2010-05-02 17:53:32

Oh don't mind my post.

Who cares if I'm called some pointless country only one of the artist would know the show about.

illusionist · 2010-05-02 18:55:57

I will request a BYOB community now...

cocoanut · 2010-05-02 19:08:11

Lucario621 wrote:
Stickman704 wrote:
Lucario621 wrote:
Yes, we're outnumbered, because all of the artists just care about 'having fun', 'socializing' and 'RPing'. Thus, they invite more friends to Scratch, who don't know about the real Scratch. It's a very gruesome cycle.
Real scratch.... there is no real scratch...

It's a part of scratch. RPGing normally involves projects.

Socilizing is fine. That's why they created the comment system.

Just face it Luc, it's a part of scratch. There is too, games on the front page isn't there? I mean the RPG galleries arn't featured or anything. You could pretty much forget about them.
No it wasn't.

Stickman704, you wouldn't understand. But don't feel bad - it's not your fault. If you joined Scratch in 2007, then you would understand what Scratch was really like. RPing wasn't a part of Scratch. And because of that, there were many, many, brilliant, creative, and interactive projects.

You guys have such a problem. I think one project of mine has no programming whatsoever. I didn't like doing that, so I stopped, and continued programming. So I'd consider myself a programmer. I joined in '07, and know exactly what Scratch life was like in 2007.

Yet am I acting obnoxious? No, not quite. There's nothing wrong with art projects, and, as the Scratch Team says, art is a part of Scratch.

Paddle2See wrote:
Scratch remains a place for all forms of Scratch projects for now.

Okay? Let's just all get along.

Let's just all stop talking about this.

*curtains close*

Lucario621 · 2010-05-02 19:24:02

cocoanut wrote:
Lucario621 wrote:
Stickman704 wrote:

Real scratch.... there is no real scratch...

It's a part of scratch. RPGing normally involves projects.

Socilizing is fine. That's why they created the comment system.

Just face it Luc, it's a part of scratch. There is too, games on the front page isn't there? I mean the RPG galleries arn't featured or anything. You could pretty much forget about them.
No it wasn't.

Stickman704, you wouldn't understand. But don't feel bad - it's not your fault. If you joined Scratch in 2007, then you would understand what Scratch was really like. RPing wasn't a part of Scratch. And because of that, there were many, many, brilliant, creative, and interactive projects.
You guys have such a problem. I think one project of mine has no programming whatsoever. I didn't like doing that, so I stopped, and continued programming. So I'd consider myself a programmer. I joined in '07, and know exactly what Scratch life was like in 2007.

Yet am I acting obnoxious? No, not quite. There's nothing wrong with art projects, and, as the Scratch Team says, art is a part of Scratch.

Paddle2See wrote:
Scratch remains a place for all forms of Scratch projects for now.
Okay? Let's just all get along.

Let's just all stop talking about this.

*curtains close*

*crowd applauses for encore*

Ok folks, calm down, calm down xD

Cocoanut. I totally agree with that statement. Scratch is made for all types of projects. That's not going to change - and I don't want it to change.

But you can't disagree, that art projects get too much credit, and get too popular. It's just unfair. That's the issue.

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