Scratch

soupoftomato wrote:

Ludichris1 wrote:

My PROPOSAL

The problem is that artists don't like to program as much and rather work and share their good art talent, while programmers don't have good art (usually. depends. i'm not criticizing any1 specific here. just compared to the non-programmers), yet are good at programming.

You have the programmers who make programmer art;
and the non-programmers who make non-programmer art.

I think people just need to make the 'art' more interactive or extensive (i'm thinking of this for my future projects as well); like animated art, like those old scratch movies. It takes some programming to get the timing and transparencies and stuff right (believe me..). Also, you could make a game with animated interactive art, making it more lively and interesting.  They could also just add SOMETHING interactive if it's just one picture (can't think of anything right now..).

The non-programmers can improve on programming and interactivity;
The programmers can improve on art and immersion.

So like I said, only people who WANT change enough will act. If they don't feel like changing, then they'll stick to game-making or stick to art-displays. It's really the person's choice. And how others react usually depends on the more famous scratchers who appear on the front page (or so).

You 'could' make an art, then a game, then an art, then a game, and so on, to make things more balanced.

Don't forget that Scratch is about FOUR things (mainly):
--Stories: If you got a story/book you're writing, then post it on Scratch, into certain galleries for other Scratchers to see  . You might want to add some pictures tho so that half the visitors with ADHD don't leave on sight.
--Music: You can also upload custom music you've made. Usually incorporating this into a game or a well-made art is not a good idea if it's not the main point of the project- just to keep that in mind.
--Art: Yes, it's about art too. But it's also about other things, so try to keep it balanced.
--Animation: These also deserve a place on Scratch, and the timing and stuff needed to make them takes some programming (as long as it's longer than 10 seconds lol)

P.S. Btw, I currently have 4 AMV projects I'm thinking about (one that I've started), and 2 game or game/art projects in mind.

P.P.S. If you find 'any' of my projects hyprotical at all/in any way, don't blame me, cuz like I said-- THIS IS A PROPOSAL.

I noticed you didn't put games as one of the main things scratch is about. BIASED ANYONE?

oops lol i forgot to add the games part in what scratch is about sorry.

fg123 wrote:

Tis will get closed. Probably...

Yes, it probably will....I really don't want to sound mean - But it's because of Midnight, she made the drama a bit more intense. I predicted this! MIDDY, PLEASE DON'T HATE ME FOR THIS - I CONSIDER YOU AS A FRIEND. I don't mean to hurt you!

  I hate this.

""Yes, it probably will....I really don't want to sound mean - But it's because of Midnight, she made the drama a bit more intense. I predicted this! MIDDY, PLEASE DON'T HATE ME FOR THIS - I CONSIDER YOU AS A FRIEND. I don't mean to hurt you!"" * PENGUINS?!?!?!?! * IS THAT?!?!?! IM SUPPOSED TO FORGIVE YOU? AFTER ALL YOU'VE SAID ABOUT ME AND OTHER PEOPLE?!!?!?! DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IM STRAINING NOT TO CUSS RIGHT NOW?! YEAH,IM DRAMATIC BUT THAT DONT MEAN YOU COULD GO SHOOTING OFF WITH YOUR MOUTH ABOUT IT! YOUR DISPICABLE! >   Freinds. Yeah,OKAY. Freinds dont talk about freinds like that,no mater WHAT they think. You keep it to yourself,or you tell THEM DIRECTLY.

Penguinsrock wrote:

MidnightWarrior wrote:

Im sorry,but I've got nothing left to say to you. This is all just prejudiced bull hockey. Just because im not a 24/7 forumer,i cant be here when im INVITED? I REALLY dont want to say this but i think some of you (ME TOO,BUT THATS HOW I WAS BROUGHT UP) are REALLY being arrogant just because,"OOOOO im on the foruummsss." "Oh goody,i made a gaaammmeeee." It ticks me off. Artists are important too. Whatdya gotta do to make a game? YOU GOTTA DRAW STUFF. Thats art. OH MY,NOT SO HIGH AND MIGHT NOW,HUH?

Penguinsrock wrote:

I NEVER SAID I WASN'T. I'm sorry for my wording, but they are things that you don't know, and I don't know about you. I didn't know you knew what the forums were like! In my opinion, most of the people in RPGs don't go on the forums. I personally though that you should know these people, before you debate. You put some good points Middy! I need to watch what I say, but you don't need to make it look worse...Again, I need to watch what I'm saying right now - But I don't know how else to say it.

I never meant it like that, really. ._. I said sorry...Gosh....

Wow...some strong emotions here!  This battle has been fought several times now though.  Scratch remains a place for all forms of Scratch projects for now.  There has been discussion of ways to provide more segregation for those that want it, in the next version.