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demosthenes wrote:

webgal15 wrote:

DO NOT RESPOND SAYING "WE CAN'T IGNORE THEM" OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YES YOU CAN.

It's like me saying "just ignore the bad comments you get". I mean sure you could, but why would you not flag them so the Scratch team will take action to clean up the site and make it a generally better place.

Demosthenes. You have made my day 

RHY3756547 wrote:

Penguinsrock wrote:

keikij wrote:

  Not taking your bait.

No offence RHY, but I don't like you - Sure you make great games, but I'm not liking that attitude. I know that
[blocks]<next costume>[/block]
and
[blocks]<play sound][/block]
stuff, is little programming - But it is PROGRAMMING AT ALL.
Again - Not to be mean to anybody, but have you noticed [b]the 'art/animation' side hasn't really been insulting/being kind of rude, and is defending. The 'game etc' side, is being ruder, in a way to defend. This is my feeling on it anyway.

The attitude is now with all game makers, basically irradiating from the front page art pieces. Think about it from a programmer's point of view (the site and application's target audience, folks) and not someone who draws cats to get praise form 11 year olds.

Some of us might want to go on to develop commercial applications and games, and we can't do that without feedback and help from each other and better programmers. Art in the middle of this does not help matters.

I hate the 2 block programming excuse. You use two blocks. Oh, wowie. What a project.

Utter. Rubbish.

Think of it from the programmer's side of view. Unable to get noticed for programming on a programmer's site. I was lucky. I want other people to not need luck.

You say in the middle, I know you don't mean it litteraly - But there's still the stuff infront and behind, you see? If this was serious, the Scratch team would've banned art. You mentioned programming though, you say scratch is for programming - There you go! Caught in a loop hole. It's not like you put the artists into consideration, not kindly showed at the mosts. I HAVE noticed most are like that, but you personally bother me.
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OFF TOPIC: Bold is glitching!

Last edited by Penguinsrock (2010-04-30 19:54:02)

Penguinsrock wrote:

but have you noticed the 'art/animation' side hasn't really been insulting/being kind of rude, and is defending.

Defending? Wrong! Epic Fail! You fail life!

All they're saying is

-"So?"
-"JUST IGNORE IT"
-"And your point is?"
-"THAT'S NOT THE POINT"

Rather than actually stating some good reasons.

Last edited by Lucario621 (2010-04-30 19:52:53)

Lucario621 wrote:

Penguinsrock wrote:

but have you noticed the 'art/animation' side hasn't really been insulting/being kind of rude, and is defending.

Defending? Wrong! Epic Fail! You fail life!

All they're saying is

-"So?"
-"JUST IGNORE IT"
-"And your point is?"
-"THAT'S NOT THE POINT"

Rather than actually stating some good reasons.

Atleast we're not being rude, even if we don't notice we sound rude. You know how hard I try not to say things rudely? No, you're not me - Nobody would know, actually.

webgal15 wrote:

demosthenes wrote:

webgal15 wrote:

It would be better if it couldn't be solved simply.

DO NOT RESPOND SAYING "WE CAN'T IGNORE THEM" OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YES YOU CAN.

Caps don't get your point across, they just make you seem childish. Use bold or italics for emphasis.

As you can see, the caps hurt my eyes too much to understand, so I am going to reply saying you can't ignore it.
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It's like me saying "just ignore the bad comments you get". I mean sure you could, but why would you not flag them so the Scratch team will take action to clean up the site and make it a generally better place.

That's not what I mean.

If comments hurt your feelings, are inappropriate, or spam, you flag them.

If you see an art project, and you don't like it, you ignore it.

Let's say this happens.

Lucario621 clicks on a project that looks like a fun creative game. He is found to be wrong. It is an art project. He ignores it. But ends up wasting 15 seconds.

Maybe 15 seconds isn't a lot. But after seeing 10,000 projects, that adds up. And we want to have LIVES, while learning to collaborate with others, and get smarter and use our imagination more with Scratch. But we can't do that if we don't have lives, can we?

Penguinsrock wrote:

RHY3756547 wrote:

Penguinsrock wrote:

No offence RHY, but I don't like you - Sure you make great games, but I'm not liking that attitude. I know that
[blocks]<next costume>[/block]
and
[blocks]<play sound][/block]
stuff, is little programming - But it is PROGRAMMING AT ALL.
Again - Not to be mean to anybody, but have you noticed the 'art/animation' side hasn't really been insulting/being kind of rude, and is defending. The 'game etc' side, is being ruder, in a way to defend. This is my feeling on it anyway.

The attitude is now with all game makers, basically irradiating from the front page art pieces. Think about it from a programmer's point of view (the site and application's target audience, folks) and not someone who draws cats to get praise form 11 year olds.

Some of us might want to go on to develop commercial applications and games, and we can't do that without feedback and help from each other and better programmers. Art in the middle of this does not help matters.

I hate the 2 block programming excuse. You use two blocks. Oh, wowie. What a project.

Utter. Rubbish.

Think of it from the programmer's side of view. Unable to get noticed for programming on a programmer's site. I was lucky. I want other people to not need luck.

You say in the middle, I know you don't mean it litteraly - But there's still the stuff infront and behind, you see? If this was serious, the Scratch team would've banned art. You mentioned programming though, you say scratch is for programming - There you go! Caught in a loop hole. It's not like you put the artists into consideration, not kindly showed at the mosts. [b]I HAVE noticed most are like that, but your attitude is personally bothering me.

My attitude is that scratch is OFF-TOPIC now.

Miscellaneous. Like this forum. Off the subject that the developers intended 3 years ago.

I know why you do not like me and I don't like it. I hate people who think that way, it's pathetic.

How am I caught in a loophole saying scratch is for programming? Art is not programming. Seriosuly guys, how many times?

We put artists into consideration when it is not at a ridiculous scale, like flooding the front page not allowing fairly good programmers (and artists) get their chance. You will notice many of my nice comments on Art based Games and applications. Announcements and art are a no-go, I say nothing on the projects because I don't need to, I don't view them either.

You are part of the group who makes projects to just get on the front page. Let me tell you that now, that is a fact, and you can easily analyse it from the way you act though projects and comments.

cocoanut wrote:

http://i43.tinypic.com/w02793.jpg

Has anyone noticed this?

Has anyone else noticed that there are 5 other checkboxes?

Penguinsrock wrote:

RHY3756547 wrote:

cocoanut wrote:

http://i43.tinypic.com/w02793.jpg

Has anyone noticed this?

Has anyone else noticed that there are 5 other checkboxes?

But your project doesn't have to be the other 5 if we don't want too. >:3 Have you noticed the larger selection of emoticons us RPers have? Lol, nah - Jking, I dunno.

Penguinsrock, honestly, just give me feed back on the Great (Scratch) Compromise.

Penguinsrock wrote:

RHY3756547 wrote:

cocoanut wrote:

http://i43.tinypic.com/w02793.jpg

Has anyone noticed this?

Has anyone else noticed that there are 5 other checkboxes?

But your project doesn't have to be the other 5 if we don't want too. >:3 Have you noticed the larger selection of emoticons us RPers have? Lol, nah - Jking, I dunno.

No, it's just you haven't noticed any of the 5. Maybe if you did you would try making varying projects. I have made a project for everything except story. For you it would probably be art and animation only.

cocoanut wrote:

demosthenes wrote:

cocoanut wrote:

As I said, that hardly matters.

I make a point.
You disagree.
I refute your point.
"It hardly matters"
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Anyway. I'm not trying to yell or flame (if I come off that way I assure you it is unintentional), but we are voicing valid concerns with the website that you dismiss at not mattering as soon as you are losing the argument.

I haven't lost the argument, and they're not valid concerns. You can ignore it if you want, but you just don't want to try. 

Let's take an example:

Art and games are two completely different things.

Let's compare them to some sort of drink and a computer, also two completely different things.

A beverage will obviously take not as long to make as a computer.

Does that mean all beverages are terrible?

No, but what it does mean, is that they don't belong together in the computer room because then the beverage could spill and make the computer die/unhappy/angry. Because the room was originally designed for computers, and not beverages, than the beverage should leave!

cocoanut wrote:

RHY3756547 wrote:

Penguinsrock wrote:

But your project doesn't have to be the other 5 if we don't want too. >:3 Have you noticed the larger selection of emoticons us RPers have? Lol, nah - Jking, I dunno.

No, it's just you haven't noticed any of the 5. Maybe if you did you would try making varying projects. I have made a project for everything except story. For you it would probably be art and animation only.

There's something wrong with animation now?

I have checked all but story as well.

And you admit you have checked art, do you?

http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/RHY3756547/876481

Yes . . . yes he has

cocoanut wrote:

What if it's a computer-and-bar, as weird as that sounds?

Than lots of people would get angry after having their computer break for having liquids in it, and they would get out of business 

A final solution that doesn't boot artist out