Scratch

TheSaint wrote:

Lightnin wrote:

Scratch is and will always be a way for kids to express their creativity, whether it's by making simulations, animations, art, games, or projects that belong in new categories we can't even imagine.

That said - I agree that we do need to think about ways to ensure that lots of different kinds of projects are shown on the front page.

There's two major approaches I've been thinking about. One is customization: Anyone can choose the kind of stuff that gets shown on their own personal front page. So if you like simulations, you can select "*Simulations* the community is loving...", and each time you visit the homepage you get the top three simulations people have been loving lately. Same for Art, Games, etc.

Seems easy, eh? One problem is that there is a lot of crossover in the categories of stuff that Scratchers like. So even if you like *mostly* games, there are lots of animations out there you might like as well. If you set everything on your homepage to only show games, well, it means you may be missing out on a lot of other interesting / cool stuff. For example, I bet a lot of Scratchers who like games also like MHM, eh? 

The other idea is sub-homepages. These would be like homepages that cater to smaller communities on Scratch. I'm not sure exactly how best to define these - by tags? Or let Scratchers make their own? But these sub-homepages would show projects based on your social network - so if you hung out on that page a lot, your projects might show up in what the sub--community is viewing, and so might those of your immediate friends. This might lessen some of the competition for front page space, and better support communities of Scratchers who share some of the same interests. One wouldn't have to become a superstar and reach the front page to get views 
Anyway - these kinds problems may seem like they have easy solutions, but I can assure you - they are always trickier than they first appear! So I'm glad you guys are talking about this stuff. I feel like the more we consider our different options to find a solution that works well for all members of the community, the better the solutions we finally come up with will be.

I like the idea about having subgroups, but personally I dislike the customizable home page. Getting on the hope page is an accomplishment, like getting into the hall of fame. If you take that away, the goal cannot be reached. There is personal improvment, but most children of the average age on scratch won't see that; they was to see something concrete of their accompliments, and getting on the front page is that. If you can customize home pages, then that accomplishment goes away. Alot like the page with Top loved/Viewed did...

Anyways, My point is that if you have customizable home pages, it is better for the viewer, but not the creator.

I have an idea. Why not have the current layout of the front page the way it is. However, you can have tabs on the side of (What the Community has loved/viewed lately) with All/Simulation/Art/Music/Games/Story The default is all, but the person can see the top viewed for those he tab if they wished to. This exposes them to the best at the moment, but also allows them to see a more diverse side of the picture as well.

I hope you take my ideas into consideration.
--TheSaint

Also setting the front page to automatically go onto a tab the user specifies when loading the page.

...............*implodes*

Tired of this foolness.

soupoftomato wrote:

I like this method becaus eit allows all types of projects to be seen.

And The Destruction of the Art was a joke, the only one I would ever do is step 1 (be nice to artisits).

Pfffffffft like you ever do that.

cocoanut wrote:

illusionist wrote:

cocoanut wrote:

Heyheyhey, must I yet again bring up the fact that Andres himself said that Scratch was about programming and art? Since you seem to use word of an authority as an argument, I can too, correct?

andresmh wrote:

...think of interesting ways of combining art and programming...

Programming + Art = Interactive Art

Key word is COMBINING.

Andres never said "combine," and I don't think he misunderstood what he whole argument was about.

Thats a direct quote.

Else you blind!

littletonkslover wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

littletonkslover wrote:

Pfffffffft like you ever do that.

Well I'll start then.

Wanna be bestest friends?                       

WANNA BECOME ONE WITH RUSSIA?

Wait- Belarus. e_e'

I do not need Russia.

My country has the best first aid.

FOREVER WAVE, SWISS FLAG!

soupoftomato wrote:

littletonkslover wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

Well I'll start then.

Wanna be bestest friends?                       

WANNA BECOME ONE WITH RUSSIA?

Wait- Belarus. e_e'

Sure, as long as that means the country.

( )

littletonkslover wrote:

Both. 



D: Belarus is creepy.

If you watched that episode about Russia and his sisters......*shudders* She's like in this dark room wailing,"Russia, let me in. Break down this wall between us. Russia, open the door....." and poor Russia is in the corner, breaking down. Then she rips the handle of the door off and-

D:

littletonkslover wrote:

illusionist wrote:

littletonkslover wrote:

Both. 



D: Belarus is creepy.

If you watched that episode about Russia and his sisters......*shudders* She's like in this dark room wailing,"Russia, let me in. Break down this wall between us. Russia, open the door....." and poor Russia is in the corner, breaking down. Then she rips the handle of the door off and-

D:

http://www.scratch.mit.edu/ext/youtube/?v=U7ekLw0AJWo

She told him to marry her. They're SIBLINGS. Russia's scared of her......and I don't blame him. She obsesses over him and stuff.

Goodness gracious me oh my! You scared the foshizzles out of me!

Heh - like that little comment I added?

Last edited by cocoanut (2010-04-20 20:42:56)

Lord-Sprites wrote:

Cut the hetalia out on the non hetalia thread

Right. 

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ON-TOPIC

illusionist wrote:

Lord-Sprites wrote:

Cut the hetalia out on the non hetalia thread

Right. 

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ON-TOPIC

Sorry Illusiy, this is the topic now.

HAHAAHA! WE COMMANDEERED YOUR THREAD!

illusionist wrote:

cocoanut wrote:

illusionist wrote:

Right. 

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ON-TOPIC

Sorry Illusiy, this is the topic now.

HAHAAHA! WE COMMANDEERED YOUR THREAD!

Wut? 

Nevermind.

cough

illusionist wrote:

this.

the project wrote:

The bottom three lists on our home page have been clogged up with useless and non interactive art projects about cats, 'anthros", "tokis", etc. for far too long. It seems like the same users, and same meaningless things are appearing over and over again. Me, along with some friends have come up with a solution that will restore order and diversity on the front page.

When Scratch 2.0 is released, a system of categorization should be added. When you share a project, you are required to place it in one of these categories:

Animation
Music
Game
Story
Simulation
Tutorial
Interactive Art (notice, its not just art)
and other: ____

This is a system similar to that used on Youtube, and will introduce a new way of organizing projects. The front page will consist of the same remixed, viewed, and loved rows, but it will display the #1 most loved/remixed/viewed for a random three categories every time the page is loaded.

This will solve future problems, but for now the only issue that remains is the categorization of the million projects already here.

Lol that was MY idea. Oh well.

Last edited by Stickman704 (2010-04-21 14:26:47)