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adriangl · 2010-01-02 16:40:52

Lucario621 wrote:
adriangl wrote:
...A picture is not a project....
That, has made my day. That is the greatest thing I have heard in the 2 years of being in scratch lolz. Seriously, it makes sense.

Thank you!!! Gosh, "Imagine,Program,Share". Go to wherever it is that "Imagine,Draw,Share" is the goal.

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juststickman · 2010-01-02 16:41:04

Games/simulation:
1. Not a cheap ripoff
2. Decent quality (you'll be surprised by how many aren't)
3. Decent graphics (I'm lenient on this one, not everyone is a good artist. BUT I don't wanna see a badly scribbled stickman)
4. No hamster dance (I hate that song)
5. looks like some work was put into it (Some examples of what I don't want can be found on the most loved page 1)

Animation:
1. DECENT use of the animation program (As in would be rated at least low beginner in a animator forum)
2. No hamster dance (hate it)
3. At least slightly smooth
4. Interesting (or funny and random big_smile )

Art:
1. Good art (No offense Doody)
2. Not a cheap ripoff

The one thing I hate the most about scratch is bad quality projects on the front page. Seriously, it's the worst part of scratch. Of all the games to come on, a slow platformer that looks like the levels were drawn in 5 seconds gets front page. And it doesn't show good programming.
I probably would have quit, flamed everyone, and never came back if I was around when Doody was front page.

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littletonkslover · 2010-01-02 16:43:01

adriangl wrote:
littletonkslover wrote:
adriangl wrote:
I really don't expect anything on Scratch anymore. Maki-Tak's new project is just a picture...no music or anything. And it is #1 Recently Viewed. If I spent 5 years straight making a project that would be above and beyond Scratch projects, it would still be less popular then that one picture.
......Gosh, you are being rather rude.

I like creative things with thought and time put into them, good art, and when it gives a appropriate message.
Rude? This happens to almost everybody. They spend time on a project that is fun and creative, and an actual project, and then it gets beaten by a picture. A picture is not a project....

Art is fun and creative, and belongs on the site. What if a game took- let's say a half and hour(*cough* Papi-Jump *cough*), and a piece of actual art that took labor took 2 hours....then the art deserves the fame more.

adriangl · 2010-01-02 16:47:16

littletonkslover wrote:
adriangl wrote:
littletonkslover wrote:

......Gosh, you are being rather rude.

I like creative things with thought and time put into them, good art, and when it gives a appropriate message.
Rude? This happens to almost everybody. They spend time on a project that is fun and creative, and an actual project, and then it gets beaten by a picture. A picture is not a project....
Art is fun and creative, and belongs on the site. What if a game took- let's say a half and hour(*cough* Papi-Jump *cough*), and a piece of actual art that took labor took 2 hours....then the art deserves the fame more.

No, because art is art. You notice on the navigation bar it says "projects" and not "art". You do realize all popular art on Scratch is anime, it is not art that is hung up in a museum. And Papi-Jump you can play and have fun with. Art you look at all day and realize you don't have a life.

floatingmagictree · 2010-01-02 16:49:36

adriangl wrote:
littletonkslover wrote:
adriangl wrote:

Rude? This happens to almost everybody. They spend time on a project that is fun and creative, and an actual project, and then it gets beaten by a picture. A picture is not a project....
Art is fun and creative, and belongs on the site. What if a game took- let's say a half and hour(*cough* Papi-Jump *cough*), and a piece of actual art that took labor took 2 hours....then the art deserves the fame more.
No, because art is art. You notice on the navigation bar it says "projects" and not "art". You do realize all popular art on Scratch is anime, it is not art that is hung up in a museum. And Papi-Jump you can play and have fun with. Art you look at all day and realize you don't have a life.

LOL

Lucario621 · 2010-01-02 16:50:49

littletonkslover wrote:
Lucario621 wrote:
littletonkslover wrote:
Maki does have a dA. And this is NOT just a programming site. Seriously!

Deviantart allows art, literature, animations, and GAMES. I hope you open your minds up a little.
I never said this is just a programming site. But its just unfair that the percentage of popularity between the two are:

Animation: 80%
Programming: 20%

On the forums, its the other way around, but generally animation stuff is a lot more popular on the main website. It should be like this in my opinion:

Animation: 45%
Programming 55%

Also I don't really know devainart very well. So I decided to look at the site some more when you said that, and THERE ARE HARDLY ANY GAMES.
There ARE though. It's not critized like art on this site.......!

Devaintart has very view games. I looked on the front page, and I saw none. I found a page with the recent game then, but I only found 4, compared to the other 24.

adriangl · 2010-01-02 16:52:17

floatingmagictree wrote:
adriangl wrote:
littletonkslover wrote:

Art is fun and creative, and belongs on the site. What if a game took- let's say a half and hour(*cough* Papi-Jump *cough*), and a piece of actual art that took labor took 2 hours....then the art deserves the fame more.
No, because art is art. You notice on the navigation bar it says "projects" and not "art". You do realize all popular art on Scratch is anime, it is not art that is hung up in a museum. And Papi-Jump you can play and have fun with. Art you look at all day and realize you don't have a life.
LOL

Well, what can you do with art? Steal it and say it is yours?

littletonkslover · 2010-01-02 16:53:02

adriangl wrote:
littletonkslover wrote:
adriangl wrote:

Rude? This happens to almost everybody. They spend time on a project that is fun and creative, and an actual project, and then it gets beaten by a picture. A picture is not a project....
Art is fun and creative, and belongs on the site. What if a game took- let's say a half and hour(*cough* Papi-Jump *cough*), and a piece of actual art that took labor took 2 hours....then the art deserves the fame more.
No, because art is art. You notice on the navigation bar it says "projects" and not "art". You do realize all popular art on Scratch is anime, it is not art that is hung up in a museum. And Papi-Jump you can play and have fun with. Art you look at all day and realize you don't have a life.

Are you right-handed and left-minded? Seems so. (Boy I'm getting in trouble for posting that.......)

Art IS art, anything wrong? Games are games. Projects can contain art. Not all popular art is anime, MOST OF IT ISN'T, and a lot of art is quality( tarrasic's front page project). Many games don't work right, aren't fun, and are plain terrible(not all, though). Papi-Jump is impossible half the time, and the character isn't even really drawn by FMT. Art is [u] expressive[/]. It changes the way we see the world. It does that to most people, at least.

cocoanut · 2010-01-02 16:53:26

Please, stop warring about this.

http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic … 73&p=1

Andres has decided it's about programmers AND artists.

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Kileymeister · 2010-01-02 16:55:23

adriangl wrote:
floatingmagictree wrote:
adriangl wrote:

No, because art is art. You notice on the navigation bar it says "projects" and not "art". You do realize all popular art on Scratch is anime, it is not art that is hung up in a museum. And Papi-Jump you can play and have fun with. Art you look at all day and realize you don't have a life.
LOL
Well, what can you do with art? Steal it and say it is yours?

Well, what can you do with a game? Play it. Much more fun than saying something is yours.

Lucario621 · 2010-01-02 16:56:45

littletonkslover wrote:
adriangl wrote:
littletonkslover wrote:
......Gosh, you are being rather rude.

I like creative things with thought and time put into them, good art, and when it gives a appropriate message.
Rude? This happens to almost everybody. They spend time on a project that is fun and creative, and an actual project, and then it gets beaten by a picture. A picture is not a project....
Art is fun and creative, and belongs on the site. What if a game took- let's say a half and hour(*cough* Papi-Jump *cough*), and a piece of actual art that took labor took 2 hours....then the art deserves the fame more.

You're just using bad examples. Papi-Jump is different, because it's just like art, and it is terrible, while most games take long periods of time to make. Days. Sometimes Weeks. And there's very few projects that are "art" (compared to a better choice of animation) that get to the front page, which is what gets us angry. The only recent example I can mention is that picture of a wolf by that user starting with a t (I don't remember it). And just like adriangl mentioned, a picture is not a project. It's not "imagine - program - share". So it does NOT belong on this sight. I'm not trying to diss art neccecarily, but its just that it doesn't belong HERE, and it's receiving TOO MUCH ATTENTION.

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Lucario621 · 2010-01-02 16:58:40

littletonkslover wrote:
adriangl wrote:
littletonkslover wrote:
Art is fun and creative, and belongs on the site. What if a game took- let's say a half and hour(*cough* Papi-Jump *cough*), and a piece of actual art that took labor took 2 hours....then the art deserves the fame more.
No, because art is art. You notice on the navigation bar it says "projects" and not "art". You do realize all popular art on Scratch is anime, it is not art that is hung up in a museum. And Papi-Jump you can play and have fun with. Art you look at all day and realize you don't have a life.
Are you right-handed and left-minded? Seems so. (Boy I'm getting in trouble for posting that.......)

Art IS art, anything wrong? Games are games. Projects can contain art. Not all popular art is anime, MOST OF IT ISN'T, and a lot of art is quality( tarrasic's front page project). Many games don't work right, aren't fun, and are plain terrible(not all, though). Papi-Jump is impossible half the time, and the character isn't even really drawn by FMT. Art is [u] expressive[/]. It changes the way we see the world. It does that to most people, at least.

BBCode Fail.

Anyway though I agree with you a couple things, apart from what adriangl said.

1) Most isn't anime
2) Many games don't work right

The thing is the games that don't get that much attention.

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adriangl · 2010-01-02 16:59:35

littletonkslover wrote:
adriangl wrote:
littletonkslover wrote:

Art is fun and creative, and belongs on the site. What if a game took- let's say a half and hour(*cough* Papi-Jump *cough*), and a piece of actual art that took labor took 2 hours....then the art deserves the fame more.
No, because art is art. You notice on the navigation bar it says "projects" and not "art". You do realize all popular art on Scratch is anime, it is not art that is hung up in a museum. And Papi-Jump you can play and have fun with. Art you look at all day and realize you don't have a life.
Are you right-handed and left-minded? Seems so. (Boy I'm getting in trouble for posting that.......)

Art IS art, anything wrong? Games are games. Projects can contain art. Not all popular art is anime, MOST OF IT ISN'T, and a lot of art is quality( tarrasic's front page project). Many games don't work right, aren't fun, and are plain terrible(not all, though). Papi-Jump is impossible half the time, and the character isn't even really drawn by FMT. Art is [u] expressive[/]. It changes the way we see the world. It does that to most people, at least.

Yeah, but most art projects are just art. I love animations, because you can watch it...and enjoy it. Plain art that doesn't do anything is really...plain. How can you enjoy looking at something any longer than you can watch something(animation) or play something(game)?

cocoanut · 2010-01-02 16:59:45

Lucario621 wrote:
littletonkslover wrote:
adriangl wrote:
No, because art is art. You notice on the navigation bar it says "projects" and not "art". You do realize all popular art on Scratch is anime, it is not art that is hung up in a museum. And Papi-Jump you can play and have fun with. Art you look at all day and realize you don't have a life.
Are you right-handed and left-minded? Seems so. (Boy I'm getting in trouble for posting that.......)

Art IS art, anything wrong? Games are games. Projects can contain art. Not all popular art is anime, MOST OF IT ISN'T, and a lot of art is quality( tarrasic's front page project). Many games don't work right, aren't fun, and are plain terrible(not all, though). Papi-Jump is impossible half the time, and the character isn't even really drawn by FMT. Art is [u] expressive[/]. It changes the way we see the world. It does that to most people, at least.
BBCode Fail.

Capitalization fail.

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floatingmagictree · 2010-01-02 17:00:39

littletonkslover wrote:
adriangl wrote:
littletonkslover wrote:

Art is fun and creative, and belongs on the site. What if a game took- let's say a half and hour(*cough* Papi-Jump *cough*), and a piece of actual art that took labor took 2 hours....then the art deserves the fame more.
No, because art is art. You notice on the navigation bar it says "projects" and not "art". You do realize all popular art on Scratch is anime, it is not art that is hung up in a museum. And Papi-Jump you can play and have fun with. Art you look at all day and realize you don't have a life.
Are you right-handed and left-minded? Seems so. (Boy I'm getting in trouble for posting that.......)

Art IS art, anything wrong? Games are games. Projects can contain art. Not all popular art is anime, MOST OF IT ISN'T, and a lot of art is quality( tarrasic's front page project). Many games don't work right, aren't fun, and are plain terrible(not all, though). Papi-Jump is impossible half the time, and the character isn't even really drawn by FMT. Art is [u] expressive[/]. It changes the way we see the world. It does that to most people, at least.

Thank you for your wonderful and helpful comment, it makes me feel warm on the inside.

But seriously, I can admit that PapiJump was terrible. I have no idea why it got frontpaged, or why it's my most viewed project. At least my second most viewed project is better (Twisted Wizard, 500 views).

The-Whiz · 2010-01-02 17:01:09

littletonkslover wrote:
adriangl wrote:
littletonkslover wrote:

Art is fun and creative, and belongs on the site. What if a game took- let's say a half and hour(*cough* Papi-Jump *cough*), and a piece of actual art that took labor took 2 hours....then the art deserves the fame more.
No, because art is art. You notice on the navigation bar it says "projects" and not "art". You do realize all popular art on Scratch is anime, it is not art that is hung up in a museum. And Papi-Jump you can play and have fun with. Art you look at all day and realize you don't have a life.
Are you right-handed and left-minded? Seems so. (Boy I'm getting in trouble for posting that.......)

LOL the left side of the brain controls the right side of the body and the right side of the body controls the left side of the body LOL

floatingmagictree · 2010-01-02 17:01:42

The-Whiz wrote:
littletonkslover wrote:
adriangl wrote:
No, because art is art. You notice on the navigation bar it says "projects" and not "art". You do realize all popular art on Scratch is anime, it is not art that is hung up in a museum. And Papi-Jump you can play and have fun with. Art you look at all day and realize you don't have a life.
Are you right-handed and left-minded? Seems so. (Boy I'm getting in trouble for posting that.......)
LOL the left side of the brain controls the right side of the body and the right side of the body controls the left side of the body LOL

That's what she meant tongue

Okay, no, she probably didn't know that.

The-Whiz · 2010-01-02 17:02:31

floatingmagictree wrote:
The-Whiz wrote:
littletonkslover wrote:

Are you right-handed and left-minded? Seems so. (Boy I'm getting in trouble for posting that.......)
LOL the left side of the brain controls the right side of the body and the right side of the body controls the left side of the body LOL
That's what she meant

Okay, no, she probably didn't know that.

No, I mean she meant that as an insult but it's not...

Lucario621 · 2010-01-02 17:02:45

floatingmagictree wrote:
Thank you for your wonderful and helpful comment, it makes me feel warm on the inside.

LoLHOLOHLOHLOHLOHLOHLOLOHLOH

Lucario621 · 2010-01-02 17:03:51

The-Whiz wrote:
littletonkslover wrote:
adriangl wrote:
No, because art is art. You notice on the navigation bar it says "projects" and not "art". You do realize all popular art on Scratch is anime, it is not art that is hung up in a museum. And Papi-Jump you can play and have fun with. Art you look at all day and realize you don't have a life.
Are you right-handed and left-minded? Seems so. (Boy I'm getting in trouble for posting that.......)
LOL the left side of the brain controls the right side of the body and the right side of the body controls the left side of the body LOL

LoLOHLOHLOHLHOLOHLOHLHLOHL

floatingmagictree · 2010-01-02 17:03:59

The-Whiz wrote:
floatingmagictree wrote:
The-Whiz wrote:
LOL the left side of the brain controls the right side of the body and the right side of the body controls the left side of the body LOL
That's what she meant

Okay, no, she probably didn't know that.
No, I mean she meant that as an insult but it's not...

Oh, so fail then tongue

And face it Tonkie, it's a billion against one with a terrible argument. Get over it.

Kileymeister · 2010-01-02 17:04:04

Lucario621 wrote:
most games take long periods of time to make. Days. Sometimes Weeks.

Yeah, mine usually take months. Art, you can draw in half an hour. Where is the work???

littletonkslover · 2010-01-02 17:05:16

floatingmagictree wrote:
The-Whiz wrote:
littletonkslover wrote:

Are you right-handed and left-minded? Seems so. (Boy I'm getting in trouble for posting that.......)
LOL the left side of the brain controls the right side of the body and the right side of the body controls the left side of the body LOL
That's what she meant

Okay, no, she probably didn't know that.

Yes, ACTUALLY, I DID know. I know what I type. mad

I'm right-minded and left-handed. They say that they are better at art......

OH SHUT UP LUCARIO. YOU INSULTED THE GAME TOO FOR PETE'S SAKE!!!!!

cocoanut · 2010-01-02 17:05:22

Kileymeister wrote:
Lucario621 wrote:
most games take long periods of time to make. Days. Sometimes Weeks.
Yeah, mine usually take months. Art, you can draw in half an hour. Where is the work???

Can you draw this in half an hour?

The-Whiz · 2010-01-02 17:06:59

cocoanut wrote:
Kileymeister wrote:
Lucario621 wrote:
most games take long periods of time to make. Days. Sometimes Weeks.
Yeah, mine usually take months. Art, you can draw in half an hour. Where is the work???
Can you draw this in half an hour?

That is quality art.

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