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#26 2009-12-21 17:59:41

cocoanut
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Re: A comment on programming versus art.

illusionist wrote:

andresmh wrote:

...think of interesting ways of combining art and programming...

Programming + Art = Interactive Art

He said that in a later post on the same topic.

Yes, but he also said that they're trying to develop a community of artists and programmers. If you have two options, it doesn't mean both of them can't be right -- the same way with programming and art. Programming and art. Not one or the other.


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#27 2009-12-21 18:58:50

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Re: A comment on programming versus art.

If I may add my own thoughts to the situation:

Somehow we've come up to this point where we've come up to a divide between art and programming. As Scratch seems to encompass both ideas, having both programming and art as separate ideals is difficult (if not hypocritical).

Not everyone is both a great artist and a great programmer, so it stands to reason that, in some cases, for them to work together, artists might still need to upload their artwork to the Scratch website in order for the programmers to use it - I don't oppose 0-script projects insofar the image was allowed to be utilized for use by others. Other ways is for programmers to teach artists how to program and vice-versa. I'm pretty sure there's more ways for artists and programmers to collaborate other than what I have mentioned if we think hard enough.

Now for those artists that don't want Scratchers using their art and for those programmers that don't want Scratchers using their code... in my opinion, I think this is where part of the art-programming division lies. We have a thread to make the Scratch projects 'impregnable to hackers', and some of the art contests hitting the front page are a bit upsetting as they have a 'no animation' rule applied to them - I don't like that mindset of thinking... perhaps changing this mindset is where we ought to start.


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#28 2009-12-21 19:05:03

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Re: A comment on programming versus art.

cheddargirl wrote:

If I may add my own thoughts to the situation:

Somehow we've come up to this point where we've come up to a divide between art and programming. As Scratch seems to encompass both ideas, having both programming and art as separate ideals is difficult (if not hypocritical).

Not everyone is both a great artist and a great programmer, so it stands to reason that, in some cases, for them to work together, artists might still need to upload their artwork to the Scratch website in order for the programmers to use it - I don't oppose 0-script projects insofar the image was allowed to be utilized for use by others. Other ways is for programmers to teach artists how to program and vice-versa. I'm pretty sure there's more ways for artists and programmers to collaborate other than what I have mentioned if we think hard enough.

Now for those artists that don't want Scratchers using their art and for those programmers that don't want Scratchers using their code... in my opinion, I think this is where part of the art-programming division lies. We have a thread to make the Scratch projects 'impregnable to hackers', and some of the art contests hitting the front page are a bit upsetting as they have a 'no animation' rule applied to them - I don't like that mindset of thinking... perhaps changing this mindset is where we ought to start.

In a way, I'm tempted to say:

Lucario621 wrote:

Cheddargirl wrote:

is for programmers to teach artists how to program and vice-versa.

Notice how she could have said "is for artists to teach programmers how to draw and vice-versa", but she didn't. She agrees with us programmers. Yay!

But I'm not.

I agree with you  wink

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#29 2009-12-21 19:07:13

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Re: A comment on programming versus art.

Everyone has nice, logical opinions! How will we ever find the answer?  yikes


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#30 2009-12-21 19:09:06

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Re: A comment on programming versus art.

I think it can be for both programming and art, but at the very least it should be animation, not just plain art, because animation includes a little bit of animation.


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#31 2009-12-21 19:10:50

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Re: A comment on programming versus art.

funkymonkey wrote:

I think it can be for both programming and art, but at the very least it should be animation, not just plain art, because animation includes a little bit of animation.

Animation does include a little bit of animation, true. xD


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