Scratch

The description of your games is pretty impressive. I would love to see those games and if they are cool we could feature them on the home page.

Scratch is not designed to make too complicated games... You will see after you try...
But whatever, good luck...

Here's what I mean by why "scratch can't make too complicated games". Scratch doesn't support advanced data type, dynamic creation of variable, real method(with parameter, return value, etc), file reading/writing, and many other features a real programming language has.  Speed is also a problem.

Certainly scratch can do calculations, but it is not capable to make a game with lot of data.  The complexity is just beyond its scope.  That's why method oriented programming language and object orientated programming languages were invented.

Rather, scratch should be used to make more creative stuff.

Creativity is the focus of scratch, not complexity.

I like your games so far. If you ever want to move on from scratch and other more advanced game development software, google either Game Maker 7 or DarkBASIC...

Cant wait for these projects though.

Last edited by Macca (2007-06-03 01:18:31)

We aren't going to "take scratch to a whole new level" or"send your mind on an adventure" but HOMEMADE_INC(me and another user) are making a series that gets funner longer and harder to make as it goes on.
It's called Army Ants.
The first one you may have seen(Army Ants)...that one only took us a day..it's not THAT good. Army Ants IIwas to be released today..6\1\07, but was realesed yesterday...it's got cool features.
Army Ants 3-5 are gonna MUCH longer to make and play.
thanx...

fandebiao wrote:

Here's what I mean by why "scratch can't make too complicated games". Scratch doesn't support advanced data type, dynamic creation of variable, real method(with parameter, return value, etc), file reading/writing, and many other features a real programming language has.  Speed is also a problem.

Certainly scratch can do calculations, but it is not capable to make a game with lot of data.  The complexity is just beyond its scope.  That's why method oriented programming language and object orientated programming languages were invented.

Rather, scratch should be used to make more creative stuff.

Creativity is the focus of scratch, not complexity.

Nearly anything in the VIDEOGAME world  is possible to do on scratch..you just have to be REALLY(imeanit) skilled to do some stuff.

Last edited by iwikepie (2007-06-01 19:55:55)

Realy, Scratch needs more sophistication.

Over half the projects are either buggy or clearly made in 5 minutes.

By the way, this graph shows my opinion of scratch.
Y-axis:  Hardness to make
X-axis:  Fun

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Tree_of_Knowledge wrote:

Realy, Scratch needs more sophistication.

Over half the projects are either buggy or clearly made in 5 minutes.

By the way, this graph shows my opinion of scratch.
Y-axis:  Hardness to make
X-axis:  Fun

I think you are mistaking scratch for some sort of hardcore programming tool where the object is to create perfect products.

The real fun of scratch is in the creation of those products, and the real achievement of scratch is making that creation so easy that even very young children can do it.

Mayhem wrote:

Tree_of_Knowledge wrote:

Realy, Scratch needs more sophistication.

Over half the projects are either buggy or clearly made in 5 minutes.

By the way, this graph shows my opinion of scratch.
Y-axis:  Hardness to make
X-axis:  Fun

I think you are mistaking scratch for some sort of hardcore programming tool where the object is to create perfect products.

The real fun of scratch is in the creation of those products, and the real achievement of scratch is making that creation so easy that even very young children can do it.

I understand that, but since scratch is so easy to use, it should be easy to make sophisticated games with it too, right?

Do not think that I am trying to downplay or attack anyone or anyone's work, but I still believe that my graph is accurate and that we could use a bit more sophistication here.  I am not saying that all non-sophiticated games should be removed, just that we need a few more sophisticated ones.

fandebiao wrote:

Rather, scratch should be used to make more creative stuff.

Creativity is the focus of scratch, not complexity.

While creativity may be the focus of scratch, it is annoying when your creativity is limited by the fact that it is harder to make sophisticated things.  and why can't scratch be used for more complex stuff?  Really, complexity and creativity aren't opposites.

xyxzergames wrote:

I agree with Tree_of_Knowledge, but he really should stop *attacking* Scratch. To make Scratch easy to use was a tremendous achievement, but it definitively was not without some sacrifice. Real programming, not the Snap-Together-Blocks type is 99999999999999999999999999999... times harder than the Scratch type, these developers have done a great job, so *STOP* attacking them!

I am not attacking them!!!!!!!

What part of "I am not trying to downplay anyone or anyone's work."  do you not understand?

Reread my posts and see the other things like: "That said, Scratch is a tremendous success."

And you were the first to suggest something different "on the survey" (You know what I mean, XYXZERGAMES!!!!!!.

Some of my projects are fun and complicated like the Army Ants sereis.  The first one was not complicated at all but the second one was very complicated and the next three will be.  I think Scratch is not complicated but you can make it complicated.

Thanks alot!
      Graham.