Scratch

I remember how I used to get really confused with this.

I strongly disagree. I use that block a ton. Please don't even consider removing it just because some people don't have a use for it. Some of my projects rely on it.

I am sorry if I sounded all mean. And what do you mean about how I used it wrong? Which project?

BoltBait wrote:

This block causes so much confusion, it should be removed from Scratch.

I see lots of projects that misuse this block thinking it is a Repeat Until block.

Seriously, just remove it.

It also sounds like it does the same as

<wait until>
<forever>

bobbysq wrote:

It also sounds like it does the same as

<wait until>
<forever>

That's not how it works, but many people believe that it is.

This is how it works:

<forever>
  <if> condition
      ... do something ...

  <end>
<end>

You see, forever blocks never stop running, even when they are not needed.  This is totally wasteful.  Offline, this is not so much of a problem. The online player, on the otherhand, can only handle so much stuff happening at once.  Too many forever blocks and your project will be totally unplayable online.

Jonathanpb wrote:

Good idea! I always use the forever block and if block, actually. 

You know, why have the forever if when you can use the forever and if?

Also, you can't use multiple forever if blocks in a script, but you can use as many ifs as you want in your forever block:
[blocks]
<forever if>
<end>

<forever>
<if>
<end>
<if>
<end>
<if>
<end>
<end>
[/blocks]

I never use the forever if block because of this inconveinence!

I used to use it a lot. Now... not so much.

It really is useless, especially in more advanced projects where you need more than 1 [if] block in a [forever] block.

I'd say it's there for beginners who want simpler scripts. But even then it's pointless.

greenflash wrote:

Jonathanpb wrote:

Good idea! I always use the forever block and if block, actually. 

You know, why have the forever if when you can use the forever and if?

Also, you can't use multiple forever if blocks in a script, but you can use as many ifs as you want in your forever block:
[blocks]
<forever if>
<end>

<forever>
<if>
<end>
<if>
<end>
<if>
<end>
<end>
[/blocks]

I never use the forever if block because of this inconveinence!

I thought about that too... another bonus for deleting the forever if block! 

Last edited by Jonathanpb (2009-11-17 02:28:20)

You don't really need it as it's just the forever and if block combined together. It only save about 0.5cm's / 0.2 inch's of space but it then make the width long and a very long width is just as annoying.
look at this script I made it very wide and very long. using a 19in' screen it's 5 screens down and 2 screens across and it's only one script.

I disagree why? Because many projects then made with 1.4 and use the block will become unplayable. And its usefull if you want only 1 if block in forever block. - Note: it very unusefull if you need blocks outside the if block.

jacool wrote:

06dknibbs wrote:

There may be a problem with this, if the block is removed now that so many projects use it, some of the older projects may become unplayable as Scratch won't support that block.

The Scratch online player will actually not be affected if they remove it from the Scratch software, it would only prevent users from using it 
And as you said if you download the projects the newer Scratch version could maybe convert it, I don't know.

No.  Thats faulse. It will do it to 1.4 or 1.5.

I'm confused on whether the online player will or will not be affected by its removal. Whichever way, I'm more fussed about whether or not it would work downloaded - we may have to go back and edit our projects to fix it.
It's not a problem to me, but for those who liked it and have lots of projects... it might not be very convenient.