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#1 2009-11-03 18:35:46

FantasyTales
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question about violent projects

ok so in the past i have created projects that can be seen by some people as "violent"  the reason some of these projects are like this is because i try to achieve realism in them.  for future reference could someone please tell me or direct me to a forum that answers these questions
1. what constitutes a project as violent?
2. what will the scratch team to do a project they consider "violent" though not unsuitable for scratch
3. if a project clearly warns that violence is a part of the project and someone views it anyway and complains shouldn't it be their own fault?

also this is not entirely related but how do i post a scratch project on another website without posting it to scratch first?


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#2 2009-11-03 18:41:06

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Re: question about violent projects

The only thing that most people think constitutes a project as too violent is the presence of blood. Just take out the blood, and no one will say anything.

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#3 2009-11-03 18:43:52

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Re: question about violent projects

lol thats what i mean by "going for realism though" lol


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#4 2009-11-03 21:19:10

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Re: question about violent projects

i need a more thorough answer please, anyone?


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#5 2009-11-04 00:34:15

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Re: question about violent projects

1. People have different ideas, but most of them are the same.
• Blood, gore, guts, etc.
• Guns (some people are too picky though; what's pretty violent are mass killer games)
• Tons of action (with guns, blood, and stuff like that)
• Scary looking things (like monsters that rip people in half, or scary warriors in weird outfits carrying machine guns)
• Killing (obviously!)
• Violence (oh, use your common sense!)
People normally call projects violent if they have killing, blood and guts, or guns. Use that as a guide (and your common sense!).

2. I've never seen any of these projects, for some stupid reason. I've heard that there's something that 'tell's you if a project is unsuitable for some users. It probably involves your age. Oh, and if you're interested, the Scratch Team get an e-mail whenever a project is flagged, so they do know. And a project will automatically be deleted once the number of flags passes a certain point (useful for when it's nighttime for them or if they're busy). They can restore deleted projects.
I suggest asking the Scratch Team if you want to know, since I'm not one of them and they will know and be able to explain fully.

3. It depends. If a project is just horrible, there's no excuse. But if there's mild violence but might disturb (or annoy; that might be more accurate), then I suppose it's all right. But the best guide is your common sense (again).

Your bonus question... I don't know.

Remember... your common sense is your best guide, so use it. And there's no excuse for having a horrid project and giving a warning; it's too much.

Hope that helps!

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#6 2009-11-04 02:58:17

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Re: question about violent projects

FantasyTales wrote:

lol thats what i mean by "going for realism though" lol

You shouldn't "go for realism' unless you're a good artist. If what you call "realism" is just bright red paint splattered everywhere, it will just make you look like a kid at best.

This is what I find interesting. Antique sculptures of naked people aren't considered inappropriate. But if it were a clay figure made by a little child, it would've been quite disturbing. It makes one wonder why. xD


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#7 2009-11-04 10:02:45

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Re: question about violent projects

MyRedNeptune wrote:

"go for realism'

I make that mistake very often,
Are there any rules when you use ' and when you use " ?
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#8 2009-11-04 11:02:19

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Re: question about violent projects

i never draw my own blood lol, i always use blood made by someone with artistic talent instead because im terrible at drawing.


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#9 2009-11-04 11:33:10

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Re: question about violent projects

From FantasyTales
i never draw my own blood lol, i always use blood made by someone with artistic talent instead because im terrible at drawing.

I'm pretty good at drawing! Sorry, off-topic!


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#10 2009-11-04 16:31:42

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Re: question about violent projects

Here's something that may give you a clearer idea of the Scratch Team's stance on violent projects. I asked about violent Scratch projects before (Scratch accepts projects that are "mildly violent" with respect to US media guidelines, but these projects will not appear on the front page), this is the answer I received from the Scratch Team:

Bokonon wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

My first question is: What is SCRATCH's guidelines on what constitutes as "mild violence"? I understand it falls under the context of US media, but, being that different countries have different cultural contexts, I'd like to know a more definite answer.

My second question: Is there a way for a user to automatically label their own projects as "not for everyone"? Or are all projects subject to the opinion of the SCRATCH community when they see it (that is, it's assumed all projects, when uploaded are okay unless the project is flagged)?

Hi Cheddargirl,
I'm happy to answer your questions about this. 
Projects are marked as "Not for everyone" when they contain violence of the kind you might see in Naruto, Tom and Jerry, or my personal favorite, Samurai Jack.  Projects are only reviewed once they are flagged, and the classification is up to the moderators who are monitoring the site that day. Projects that are not for everyone may have violence that is cartoonish, not overly explicit, and not suggestive.  Crossing over this line or depicting realistic violence in detail will result in a project being censored.

It's important to understand why we came up with this system. We want Scratch to be a way for kids with many different interests to express themselves. A lot of kids really like cartoon shows that have some violence, and we didn't want to exclude them or their projects from the site. At the same time, some parents feel that cartoon violence may not be appropriate for their children to see, and we didn't want to exclude them or their kids either. So as a compromise we made it so projects that contain a certain amount of cartoonish violence can still be viewed on Scratch, just not on the front page.  And we are in the process of developing a portal to the Scratch site that contains only projects that are marked "For Everyone."

From the description of your project, it sounds as though it may be marked Not For Everyone (but just barely), but it's hard to tell for sure without seeing it. This is different from a project that has (for example) a shark eating fish - that would be considered "For everyone" because it's a natural process, and it doesn't show a violent action that a person could do.  Also, a starfighter attacking other starfighters is pretty abstract, so it would probably be 'for everyone,' whereas combat with swords usually falls into the 'not for everyone' category.

As to your second question, we don't ask users to classify their own projects this way. We don't want to give the impression that marking a project as "not for everyone" would allow users to make projects that are inappropriate, or violate the Scratch website Terms of Use.

I hope this answers your questions.

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#11 2009-11-04 18:33:05

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Re: question about violent projects

cool that about answers everything except
how can i post a project on another website without posting it on scratch first?


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#12 2009-11-04 18:42:20

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Re: question about violent projects

FantasyTales wrote:

cool that about answers everything except
how can i post a project on another website without posting it on scratch first?

Try here, it explains how to embed Scratch projects onto a website without uploading them to Scratch. But why do you not want to post your projects onto the Scratch website?  hmm


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#13 2009-11-04 18:43:07

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Re: question about violent projects

well the reason it does tie in is because i don't want to put them on the website if they're too violent XD
thanks cheddargirl!


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#14 2009-11-04 18:48:35

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Re: question about violent projects

MyRedNeptune wrote:

FantasyTales wrote:

lol thats what i mean by "going for realism though" lol

You shouldn't "go for realism' unless you're a good artist. If what you call "realism" is just bright red paint splattered everywhere, it will just make you look like a kid at best.

This is what I find interesting. Antique sculptures of naked people aren't considered inappropriate. But if it were a clay figure made by a little child, it would've been quite disturbing. It makes one wonder why. xD

true MRN true...


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