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#1 2009-10-08 16:20:48

Lucario621
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Not Lego Wedo, not Pico Board - Scratch Kit

Believe me I LUV scratch. I've been with it from the beggining, its not too difficult, and it has great potential. Read that again. 'it has great potential'. Mhm correct. Picoboard is nice, but the limited buttons and and small veriety of sensors, it could be greatly improved.

Now believe me, I have a sensor board. It's nice, but theres many things I want to do with outside sensors, without hacking into scratch and getting third-party software/robots/materials. So heres my ideas.

NOTE: Now obviously if I could I'd buy tons of stuff, but believe me even I can only afford certain stuff. But considering I see other WeDo stuff and Mindstorms at such high prices, I find this a bit required.

Scratch Kit and Accesories
The first main set, which you will most likely buy at first, is the Scratch Kit. This will be something for something like, well I don't know. If the Lego WeDo Kit is around $125 or $135, then it can be around $300 (U.S.), or up to that. Quite a bit, but any dedicated scratch user might buy it  smile  It will have the following parts:

-Medium Scratch Board
-10 tiny buttons
-10 half buttons
-8 medium buttons
-1 light sensor
-1 color sensor
-1 sound sensor
-2 medium sliders
-4 aligator clips (the wires)
-4 aligator clip slots (the piece that goes into the hole)
-CD with Scratch Installer, examples on how to use it, and sample projects.

The next things you can buy are the boards. There are a couple of sizes.

-Big Scratch Board-These will be the size of a piece of paper-Maybe $40
-Medium Scratch Board-These will be 3/4 the size of a Big Scratch Board-Maybe $25-$30
-Small Rectngle Scratch Board-These will be a little bigger than a Pico Board-Maybe $15
-Small Circular/Oval Scratch Board- These will be more circle and curvish.

Now for certain things you have in mind, due to popular demand, there will be certain 'frames' for the boards, for maybe racing wheels. That would be cool. Also possibly a game controller. Although the frames will most likely be for the small ractangle and circular/oval boards. They will be pretty cheap, as they will technically do nothing.

Also required is buttons. There will be multiple button sets available seperately. In addition you will be able to chose a custom amount of buttons if you want.

-Mixed buttons- Contains 10 tiny buttons, 8 half buttons, and 6 medium buttons-about $10-$15
-Tiny button set-Contains 15 tiny buttons-about $5-$8
-Half button set-Contants 15 half buttons-about $6-$9
-Medium button set-Contains 10 medium buttons-about $10-$12

Next are light, color, and sound sensors. These are a bit complicated so they're not as cheap. A light sensor may be $3, a color is $5, and a sound sensor is $3 or $4.

In addition, there are the sliders.

Small slider/true or false switch-$2
Medium slider-$3
Large slider-$4 or $5

Lastly, there are the aligator clips. Although I'd imagine 4 is enough for the main set...I guess its fine that some people want more.

4 aligator clips and slots-Maybe $10 or $12

What it will be/Components

The Boards - This will be a bit larger than the scratch board I'll say. Maybe the size of....maybe a 3/4 or 4/5 the size of a piece of regular paper. Possibly it can come in multiple sizes. One thing I have to say is that it should be able to be wireless if wanted. This would be great for making game controllers and such. Now the question is, which gadgets and buttons and such will it have? Well it will be customizable. That means everywhere there will be tiny holes, maybe 2 cm distance apart, and the buttons would attach and such to them.  The buttons will have 1 (for tiny buttons), 2 (perhaps for eye sensor), 4, or more for bigger ones each, and they can move for a good feel and for customization. So it will be just as thick as the scratch board, I guess a bit thicker if needed actually. And it will probably use just 1 side of the board. I'm not sure.

The Buttons - These will be the basic buttons that will be usable. They will come in a couple sizes:
1 hole - Tiny, but handy. Come in Square and Circle
2 holes - Good for half buttons, which can be used in different situations, as buttons that don't take up sapce but aren't tiny. Come in Rectangle and Oval/Elipse
4 holes - The normal kind. Come in Square and Circle.

Light Sensor - This will be a 2 or 1 hole sensor that will sence the amount of light present. Pretty simple.

Color Sensor - This will be a 2 or 1 hole sensor that will sence colors. Withing Scratch, there will be blocks that have conditions for the hue, and value of the color (location on color wheel, and how dark/light it is) that way you can sense for certain things.

Sound Sensor - This wil l again be a 2 or 1 hold sensor that will able to sence different things. First it will be able to sence how loud the curent sounds are. Next it will be able to tell the average pitch of the sound(s).  And probably other stuff too.

Sliders - This was definatley a great idea for the scratch board. I remember when I went to Scratch Day at MIT, jay had his presentation, of using the scratch board, specifically the slider and sound, and a marker, he make a trumpet that was really cool. So this is planned to be just like the current slider generally. But it will come in a couple sizes.

Tiny Slider - This will be practically like a true or false switch. Is 2 holes.
Medium Slider - This will be the size of the current one, about 5 holes.
Big Slider - This will be about double the size of the current slider, maybe a little less... about 8-10 holes.

Gyro-Sensor This will be build into all of the boards. This is so it wil just be like a wii remote, and it can sence where it is tilted and such, in all 3 ways, x, y, and z. I actually recently saw this as a youtube video, a young boy used the tild sensor in the WeDo kit to make a board, and you had to tilt the ball, to get it from the beginning to the finish. So that would be possible, and also this would help so it would work as a steering wheel and more.

Aligator Clips!!!! Just like the scratch board, there will be the aligator clips. There will be the 1 hole clips that go on, which you attach the aligator clip to to do something. Although when I first saw the pico board I assumed it had little use, it actually does as I saw in some examples, which makes this userful.

As you can see there would be lots more options, and more customability, so I think this would be great. Obviously this would still take a bit of investment to make but...I'd think its worth it  smile

Also If you have ideas for more features, just post one and I might add it!

Last edited by Lucario621 (2009-10-10 19:19:13)


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#2 2009-10-09 23:30:44

Lucario621
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Re: Not Lego Wedo, not Pico Board - Scratch Kit

bump


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#3 2009-10-10 00:20:33

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Re: Not Lego Wedo, not Pico Board - Scratch Kit

Umm, definitely not that cheap, but could be pretty cool!


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#4 2009-10-10 00:27:31

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Re: Not Lego Wedo, not Pico Board - Scratch Kit

Hmmm...Cool! We could also include EVERYTHING in a pack that costs $250.


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#5 2009-10-10 00:34:34

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Re: Not Lego Wedo, not Pico Board - Scratch Kit

fg123 wrote:

Hmmm...Cool! We could also include EVERYTHING in a pack that costs $250.

More like $300! Do you know how much it costs to make this?


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#6 2009-10-10 09:17:44

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Re: Not Lego Wedo, not Pico Board - Scratch Kit

Wow, you certainly have this whole thing planned out...

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#7 2009-10-10 12:12:45

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Re: Not Lego Wedo, not Pico Board - Scratch Kit

The-Whiz wrote:

Wow, you certainly have this whole thing planned out...

Hehe  smile  just my ummm hugely made up ideas. I'm also not the best at estimating prices so umm yeah.


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#8 2009-10-10 12:15:36

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Re: Not Lego Wedo, not Pico Board - Scratch Kit

Lucario621 wrote:

The-Whiz wrote:

Wow, you certainly have this whole thing planned out...

Hehe  smile  just my ummm hugely made up ideas. I'm also not the best at estimating prices so umm yeah.

True. Awesome ideas, and in a bundle for everything, a good price is $300 or more.


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#9 2009-10-10 16:06:04

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Re: Not Lego Wedo, not Pico Board - Scratch Kit

Right.


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#10 2009-10-10 19:18:13

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Re: Not Lego Wedo, not Pico Board - Scratch Kit

In this case I'l edit it...


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#11 2009-10-10 19:41:16

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Re: Not Lego Wedo, not Pico Board - Scratch Kit

Sounds like something I would buy... If I had $300, which I don't.

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#12 2009-10-10 21:44:37

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Re: Not Lego Wedo, not Pico Board - Scratch Kit

The-Whiz wrote:

Sounds like something I would buy... If I had $300, which I don't.

Same here lol. And even though my dad likes scratch a lot too, I'm not sure if he'd be willing to pay that  neutral  Anyway... does anybody have any other ideas or comments other than just talking about the money lol?


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#13 2009-10-11 03:27:07

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Re: Not Lego Wedo, not Pico Board - Scratch Kit

Wow... very extensive list. However, scratch does implement the ability to hook up any of those sensors, through the resistance sensors. What I think would be good is if scratch supported input from multiple scratch boards, and allowed turning on or off currents, so it could run any motor.


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#14 2009-10-11 12:27:09

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Re: Not Lego Wedo, not Pico Board - Scratch Kit

To me its just that well I'm a person that likes to be safe with like 3rd party software, as I like to call it, so although there may be all of those cool robots with wierd names and random number and letter serial codes (lol), generally I go for the official stuff.


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#15 2011-05-22 11:38:15

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Re: Not Lego Wedo, not Pico Board - Scratch Kit

if you want lego wedo at a lower price. Here's how, goto lego education store. find lego wedo and click on acceries from there you can get all the sencers at a much lower price . But the problem is you won't have any legos inculeded with your set.

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