Scratch

All right, people. Let's stop arguing for a second, it's just getting us nowhere fast.

• If we delete them, half of the community gets angry.
• If we don't delete them, the other half of the community gets angry.
• If we put them on a different website, or we just make posts there not count, it would work but the work to moderate it would still be horrible.

Is there anything we can do? We've put ourselves into a corner here.

Last edited by hmnwilson (2009-09-30 23:30:32)

floppy_gunk wrote:

I've just had a thought:

If the TBGs get deleted, then the people who used them all time will get angry and quit. Then the only ones left will be the ones who actually like to use Scratch and want to make a contribution to it.

So true! I said the same once, I'll just try and remember what I said,

Chrischb wrote:

Who cares if they can't have their fun? If they get angry and leave, we'll be left with a bunch of loyal, helpful Scratchers and the forums will be a better place.

The only problem is the bit about making them angry. We don't like making people angry, but I guess they can just find a different forum. Why not? If they want to use the Scratch Forums only, that's their problem.

Mini_mi wrote:

i have another solution that is kind of dumb and may not work, but it is worth a shot. \
why dosen't scratch team make another section on the fourms were people can spam all they want and write things that have absoultley nothing to do with scratch? it may or it may not work, but if it somehow does it may lower the amount of spam on the other fourm sections. we also can combine my idea with hmnwilison's idea of noot letting these posts count. 

I like the idea, but this is already happening.

martianshark wrote:

Jonathanpb wrote:

coolperson wrote:

What's wrong with people getting an account just to play games in the forums? Isnt playing games what scratch is about? (Also imaginig, programing, and sharing, but you should cath my drift.)

coolperson, the problem is that they are playing games in the Scratch Forums when it's for helping Scratchers, suggesting things, reporting bugs, and things like that. If it weren't in the forums, we wouldn't mind so much.

But why does it matter if some people want to play games? If you don't want to play them, just don't play them!

martianshark it isn't that! Have you even read the seven reasons in the topic post?

We don't want the Text-Based Games in the Scratch Forums, since it has nothing to do with it and it doesn't help the Scratch Community!

That was barely anything that are in the reasons.

Why don't people read the reasons for a change?

Jonathanpb wrote:

martianshark wrote:

Jonathanpb wrote:

coolperson, the problem is that they are playing games in the Scratch Forums when it's for helping Scratchers, suggesting things, reporting bugs, and things like that. If it weren't in the forums, we wouldn't mind so much.

But why does it matter if some people want to play games? If you don't want to play them, just don't play them!

martianshark it isn't that! Have you even read the seven reasons in the topic post?

We don't want the Text-Based Games in the Scratch Forums, since it has nothing to do with it and it doesn't help the Scratch Community!

That was barely anything that are in the reasons.

Why don't people read the reasons for a change?

I read that, and you can still look at other forums if you don't want to play text based games

Does anyone even understand what we mean?

Mr_X, Blade-Edge is banned and you can't ask him.
You are perfectly allowed to have your own opinion.
You say that it's a bad idea... can you explain why that is? It's always better to explain instead of just saying that it's a bad idea.

martianshark, we can't just go and look at other forums. We want the Scratch Forums instead of any old forum (since the Scratch Forums are about Scratch), of course.

It makes more sense for you to go to a different forum. We use the Scratch Forums because we want to discuss Scratch. You use the Scratch Forums because it has games. And which makes more sense (and I actually want an answer from you guys): moving the Scratch stuff out of the Scratch Forums, or moving the games out?

BoltBait wrote:

I think text games are valuable in that they build the community here at the scratch web site.  I think they should stay.

(Just don't expect me to ever play them.  )

Why can't that happen in Inspiration and More? It fits the purpose better anyway.

No!!! Don't delete them!!!    Im not going to say its a terrible idea cuz its just a suggestion! But I don't agree!!! Sometimes you get ideas from textbased games!!! Remember the "how to get the cake" thing? That turned into a remix project. Plus, considering the fact that there are hundreds or maybe thousands of pplz on Scratch, 20 is nothing big.

Jonathanpbb wrote:

I am a loony.

Wickimen wrote:

No!!! Don't delete them!!!    Im not going to say its a terrible idea cuz its just a suggestion! But I don't agree!!! Sometimes you get ideas from textbased games!!! Remember the "how to get the cake" thing? That turned into a remix project. Plus, considering the fact that there are hundreds or maybe thousands of pplz on Scratch, 20 is nothing big.

Jonathanpbb wrote:

I am a loony.

actually less than 200 people probably know this exists. maybe 50-60 different people have actually posted here. thats 1/3 of the posts like this idea

floatingmagictree wrote:

Mr_X wrote:

I just spoke to him this morning. Not everything has to be on Scratch, we're good friends in real life

Oh that's cool. Tell him that I'm going to beat him in posts soon, I'm on a roll.

Thats offtopic...

Chrischb wrote:

martianshark wrote:

Jonathanpb wrote:

martianshark it isn't that! Have you even read the seven reasons in the topic post?

We don't want the Text-Based Games in the Scratch Forums, since it has nothing to do with it and it doesn't help the Scratch Community!

That was barely anything that are in the reasons.

Why don't people read the reasons for a change?

I read that, and you can still look at other forums if you don't want to play text based games

You just don't get it, do you? It's not that we don't like playing the Text-Based-Games. If it were just that, we'd take your advice and avoid it.

What we're saying is different.

What us twenty-one people have realized is that the forums don't need the Text-Based-Games. It takes up space, which 1. slows up the forums, and 2. costs the Scratch Team more money.
We have realized that there is simply no need. It's extra cost, and the forums would benefit without it. It's there to help people, not to be a forum that people can use for fun.

If you support Text-Based-Games, why not take your own advice and find a different forum? There will be some out there that support forum games.

1. You obviously have no idea how the internet works. Each Forum is a different page, and unless you have a milion internet tabs of every single forum on Scratch, it doesn't take up any more space than if it was deleted.
2. You obviously have no idea how the internet works. The MIT owns their own website. They have their own server. They don't pay someone else to do it, that would be stupid.

Just to post some relevant info here:

andresmh wrote:

The Scratch team is analyzing this issue and will come up with a solution in collaboration with the forums moderators. Stay tuned.

(Taken from here: http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=233897#p233897)

As andresmh said, the Scratch Team is discussing about the issue of what to do about Text-Based Games with collaboration of the moderators. There have been discussion about both the benefits and detriments associated with the text-based games. Hopefully, a solution can be determined soon, and the text-based games issue can come to a close. 

Wickimen wrote:

No!!! Don't delete them!!!    Im not going to say its a terrible idea cuz its just a suggestion! But I don't agree!!! Sometimes you get ideas from textbased games!!! Remember the "how to get the cake" thing? That turned into a remix project. Plus, considering the fact that there are hundreds or maybe thousands of pplz on Scratch, 20 is nothing big.

Jonathanpbb wrote:

I am a loony.

Those 'idea's belong in Inspiration and More.

There are quite a lot of users, but very little of them use the forums.