Scratch

golfer3 wrote:

It'd be so cool if there was either an app or program for the itouch and iphone. I really don't think this is possible but if there was a scratch app I'd definitely buy it. Anyone else like this idea also?

It's a great idea, but until the iPod touch has Java, it will never work. First things first, the processing power of hand held devices aren't usually up to this kind of stuff. Think about a large sized project on Scratch. It is slow enough. Imagine that times 10. Not pretty. Also, how would you be able to tell if your "mouse" (a.k.a. finger) is hovering (<touching[ mouse pointer) or clicking (<mouse down?>) ?

Not that I wouldn't want to see this, but right now, I don't think it is possible.

ok, Jonathanpb, you are destroying others people dreams and discouraging them. If you have nothing good to say, then don't post it.

Anyways, They could create a special iPhone version of Scratch called iScratch. The blocks would be designed for the iPodTouch and iPhone, I have a few examples.

[sprite name] tapped (Hat block)
finger down? (instead of mouse down)

keikij wrote:

ok, Jonathanpb, you are destroying others people dreams and discouraging them. If you have nothing good to say, then don't post it.

Anyways, They could create a special iPhone version of Scratch called iScratch. The blocks would be designed for the iPodTouch and iPhone, I have a few examples.

[sprite name] tapped (Hat block)
finger down? (instead of mouse down)

I see what you are saying. But if this were to happen, iScratch would be completely unrelated to the current Scratch. But first, we need Java and more powerful mobile devices before we could ever do that.

u dont * java on the iphone... you could program iscratch using a different flash players, anyways i woudnt buy it i would take it if it was fre... 

keikij wrote:

ok, Jonathanpb, you are destroying others people dreams and discouraging them. If you have nothing good to say, then don't post it.

Anyways, They could create a special iPhone version of Scratch called iScratch. The blocks would be designed for the iPodTouch and iPhone, I have a few examples.

[sprite name] tapped (Hat block)
finger down? (instead of mouse down)

Keikij, he's not destroying dreams and all that other stuff. He's just pointing it out, because people often don't notice that it needs Java.
He's not being negative, he's being honest.

But it's good of you to try and stop negative posts, but try and find the more negative ones.

Jonathanpb wrote:

I'm saying the truth: until they have Java, they won't be able to get Scratch.

...not true, Scratch itself is written in Squeak, and it would in theory be possible to port over the source to the iPhone. Indeed, you can run Scratch on an iPhone using the Objective-C Squeak VM port that exists today, if you're prepared to put a bit of effort into it.

Is anyone talking here an ACTUAL APPLE DEVELOPER????? Well I am and I think that it could work. The iphone would of course need Java. But the application part is DEFINITELY possible. The iPhone IS MUCH MORE POWERFUL than you actually think it is!!! It would need to be rewrote in Objective-C or use the Objective-C Squeak VM port that lxt pointed out. It would take A LOT of work to get it on the iPhone.

technoman wrote:

Is anyone talking here an ACTUAL APPLE DEVELOPER????? Well I am and I think that it could work. The iphone would of course need Java. But the application part is DEFINITELY possible. The iPhone IS MUCH MORE POWERFUL than you actually think it is!!! It would need to be rewrote in Objective-C or use the Objective-C Squeak VM port that lxt pointed out. It would take A LOT of work to get it on the iPhone.

You mean you have a mac and bought the program that is used to design applications? Believe me, the iPod touch does not have the kind of power for that kind of thing.

technoman wrote:

shadow_7283 wrote:

technoman wrote:

Is anyone talking here an ACTUAL APPLE DEVELOPER????? Well I am and I think that it could work. The iphone would of course need Java. But the application part is DEFINITELY possible. The iPhone IS MUCH MORE POWERFUL than you actually think it is!!! It would need to be rewrote in Objective-C or use the Objective-C Squeak VM port that lxt pointed out. It would take A LOT of work to get it on the iPhone.

You mean you have a mac and bought the program that is used to design applications? Believe me, the iPod touch does not have the kind of power for that kind of thing.

I have a Mac and have bought the program for $99 and yes the iPod Touch does have the power to run it. Maybe not HUGE programs but smaller ones. There are some PRETTY HUGE applications on the app store. You think that Scratch would be hard for it to run. Think about a 3d game having to render the 3d objects CONSTANTLY!!

Right, but I can play games like Toontown on my computer without any lag whatsoever, while Scratch is slower than a tortoise in a race.    And I was wrong saying it was power, it's speed (and power too). Think about it! Every time you put a new block into Scratch in a script, it completely reloads the image. That is what makes it so slow! I'm pretty sure it makes the code in squeak before the project even starts. Like I said, it COULD work, but some people just aren't patient enough to wait for that kind of stuff.