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topazdragonlord wrote:

Blazingwave wrote:

Topaz I would appreciate it if you linked my name to my signature shop instead of my user page.

Topazdragonlord wrote:

Lots of thanks to Blazingwave for making these images.

Sure 

Thanks 
Also if we will have a map in the game maybe we could use this.
(it was originally for another collab)

http://beta.scratch.mit.edu/projects/10066375/

Notification to all programmers

If you are a programmer and have no knowledge of Scratch 2.0.

I advise that you step down as programmer for a while until you become familiar with scratch 2.0 since we will be doing all our programming in scratch 2.0.


Also Topazdragonlord add me as programmer. I'v been doing a lot of programming with scratch 2.0 recently.

Teleport wrote:

I think the decision as to whether Elementia will be remix-friendly is up to topazdragonlord.

And the deputy leaders 

Personally I think Elementia should be remix-friendly as long as they ask before they use something and give us credit 

ieu99:
As I have said before, I think the decision as to whether Elementia will be remix-friendly is up to topazdragonlord.

But after seeing Blazingwave's post, I have come to the conclusion that it'll be up to the topazdragonlord and the deputy leaders to decide as to whether Elementia will be remix-friendly or not.    Hoped I cleared up any misconceptions. So could you please call off the vote? Or maybe make it so the vote's only for topazdragonlord and the deputy leaders. ;P

That wold be awesome thank 

Teleport,

You need to not jump to conclusions. Scratch was specifically made so people can remix projects. Everytime you make a Scratch project, you are remixing something. Even if you don't use any sprites or backgrounds or anything, you are sharing in something someone else created (a visual programming language).

I'm not sure why that makes me a coward or why you think I'm threatening you. I just simply don't want anything to do with a project where people are being greedy with their creations. That's not what Scratch is to me. I don't mind other people being more restrictive with their projects, but that's not what I want to spend my time on. Creative Commons and the whole spirit of innovation that comes with that is extremely important to me. It's the main reason I want to collaborate in the first place, not just some petty detail that I'm being snobby about. Just like it's important to you that people not "plagiarize" your stuff."

I felt like I went to great detail to make it known that I was not attacking anyone or the project but that it was something important for me to iron out before dedicating to something. I tried asking in a non-confrontational way but was ignored so I asked in a more direct way.

I'm not sure how any of that qualifies as me being a coward or attacking anyone..

Perhaps you should read more about Scratch, how it came about, and why it's here to understand my strong feelings? The fact is, I actually found Scratch from a creative learning class about collaboration. Why would I want to participate in something that is negative against remixing?

If I had to drop out, it wouldn't be something where I was mad at anyone. I'd even end up playing Elementia when it was finished. My werewolf basic storyline I submitted would be free to take (easy as it would be for someone else to redo), I just wouldn't want credit for it.

I think you are an outstanding artist and I have no qualms with you.

Blazing,

Thank you for the explanation but I am not interested in a lead position. I only want to help collaborate on a project. To me, the concept of remixing is not a minor thing. If it is minor to the group, this is simply a matter of difference of opinion. I don't feel like I am overreacting as this is a strong value for me and one of the main reasons I participate in Scratch projects. I can understand if this is not such a big deal to others, but it is to me. Had I known this would have been an issue, I would have asked before agreeing to sign on. Regardless, best of luck to all and the project.

Please don't feel like I am offering an ultimatum. Teleport is an outstanding artist and I have only offered a short and basic story, for one thing. Next, no project should be put in a position of ultimatum or progress held hostage because of ideals. That is not my intent. However, I simply will not want to work on this project if it isn't remix-friendly. I can't help that.

This whole conversation is a little absurd don't you think?

It's not up to us whether Elementia is "remix-friendly".
Scratch is "remix-friendly", therefore all projects in scratch are "remix-friendly".
People can remix if they want to.
By being "remix-friendly" it simply means you encourage the idea of remixing, it doesn't mean that you allow people to remix your project since that isn't up to you.

By not being "remix-friendly" it simply means you discourage or are against people remixing your project.

smalltortoise wrote:

Why would I want to participate in something that is negative against remixing?

This project is not negative to remixing.

To me, the concept of remixing is not a minor thing.

Who said it is?
I simply said that it's minor that you would quit simply because one member of the collab (more specifically: teleport)  is against remixing.

Now your making it look as if the whole collab won't allow remixing.

1. As I said above you can't "not allow" remixing.
2. The whole collab never said that, only teleport did and that's his opinion.

Last edited by Blazingwave (2013-05-03 08:17:03)

Before you leave: I haven't finished yet and maybe you'll reconsider

smalltortoise wrote:

Why would I want to participate in something that is negative against remixing?

This project is not negative to remixing.

To me, the concept of remixing is not a minor thing.

Who said it is?
I simply said that it's minor that you would quit simply because one member of the collab (more specifically: teleport)  is against remixing.

Now your making it look as if the whole collab won't allow remixing.

1. As I said above you can't "not allow" remixing.
2. The whole collab never said that, only teleport did and that's his opinion.

Last edited by Blazingwave (2013-05-03 08:17:13)

I'm not trying to make it look like anything. I'd really rather just drop out and not distract the thread from the main purpose of making an awesome game. Thanks for making me feel welcome, and sorry if I wasted time. Again, best of luck.

RaineDasher wrote:

Guys, sorry if teleport is being kind of... self-centered. He's a proud guy and likes to prove himself the 'best'. Oh yeah, be ready as he has a surprise sprite of mage weapons   
From his 'friend' : Raine Dasher

thanks 
Don't worry I'm going to try and settle a way to try and get smalltortoise back to the collab. Since both he and Teleport are both great and valuable members of this collab.

That sounds perfectly reasonable. I feel like somehow I miscommunicated my intent? And it kind of blew out of proportion. I'm sure I didn't help it along in the right direction. I tried, but I have communication problems and probably overexplained making it seem something it wasn't. I don't even know. Regardless, I wasn't trying to pit collaborators against each other, wasn't trying to disrupt the project, wasn't trying to steal anything, and certainly wasn't trying to say Teleport is somehow not an amazing part of the team. I hope it's all cleared up.

I'm still going to have to drop out. My dad's in the hospital, I have mounds of schoolwork, and I while I still have time to dedicate I don't think I have the frame of mind right now. I can't help but feel that this whole conversation would have been quick and drama-free had I been of sound mind without being stressed about my dad. I'm sure I mucked up what I was trying to say somehow. Anyway, I should be focusing on other things. I might drop in and try to help if I see you all in a pinch or something and I definitely look forward to the game.

Sorry I caused problems, I really wasn't trying to.

Smalltortoise, it's sad to see you go. ;(