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NoxSpooth wrote:

LeDerpy123 wrote:

macbookacer wrote:

Why do you hate apple?

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Even though I agree with some parts, I must say you need to consider that Windows has flaws too. Nothing is perfect.

That was about the Mac part.

LeDerpy123 wrote:

I press CTRL + SHIFT + TAB and it opens the task manager. I go to processes, find the process, and kill it. It's done. How ever with a Mac, you have to find it on the dock, which can be annoying if you have the 21in. Mac and you have 20 programs open. Then you have to right click on the one button mouse, then press force quit. Then you have to wait about 5 minutes for the program to close. And then another 5 for the icon to leave the dock. Come on.

Actually:
a) on Windows, the key combos for the Task Manager are Ctrl-Alt-Delete and Ctrl-Shift-Esc
b) there is a task manager on OS X called Activity Monitor and it's brought up with Cmd-Option-Esc and it works almost exactly like the Windows Task Manager

veggieman001 wrote:

LeDerpy123 wrote:

I press CTRL + SHIFT + TAB and it opens the task manager. I go to processes, find the process, and kill it. It's done. How ever with a Mac, you have to find it on the dock, which can be annoying if you have the 21in. Mac and you have 20 programs open. Then you have to right click on the one button mouse, then press force quit. Then you have to wait about 5 minutes for the program to close. And then another 5 for the icon to leave the dock. Come on.

Actually:
a) on Windows, the key combos for the Task Manager are Ctrl-Alt-Delete and Ctrl-Shift-Esc
b) there is a task manager on OS X called Activity Monitor and it's brought up with Cmd-Option-Esc and it works almost exactly like the Windows Task Manager

Okay, I meant ESC. And ok, you got me on that one, but at school, they must have blocked that program.

LeDerpy123 wrote:

macbookacer wrote:

Why do you hate apple?

Because I do. The products they make are pieces of trash packaged in a pretty glossy frame.
Mac. People are unaware of how much they could do with a PC versus a Mac. And there are so many things you can do on a PC that you would expect to be on anything. For example, I want to see every MP3 on my computer. I press Win + F. Then I type in *.mp3. Then all of my mp3s show up. Can you do that on a Mac? I don't think so. You have to open Finder and press all my files. Then you have to scroll and find Music, but it only shows all music, not just mp3s. And here's another one. Programs freeze on any computer all the time. I press CTRL + SHIFT + TAB and it opens the task manager. I go to processes, find the process, and kill it. It's done. How ever with a Mac, you have to find it on the dock, which can be annoying if you have the 21in. Mac and you have 20 programs open. Then you have to right click on the one button mouse, then press force quit. Then you have to wait about 5 minutes for the program to close. And then another 5 for the icon to leave the dock. Come on.
iPhones. What a mistake. There are no customization options at all. Just a fixed grid of apps. That's where Android and Windows Phone come into play. Android, you can customize it to what ever you want, ever. Windows Phone 8, slightly more limited, I know, but you can still adjust tile size and colors and stuff.
iPad. Slower than a snail walking backwards. Battery life is shorter than the time it takes to speak this sentence. Sure, the 4 finger stuff is pretty cool, but you wouldn't know that unless you were to look for it. The 1 speaker sounds like Spongebob laughing, not in a good way.
iPods. Same as iPhone. But no 3G (4G, whatever). But still costs like $200.
All iDevices. You drop it on the floor, your screen cracks, the hard drive gives out, and you lose all of your files. And it just so happens that your warranty ran up last week. You should have gotten a case! no problem, I'll just drive to the nearest Apple Store that is about an hour away and buy a case for the low price of $70! What a bargain!!!! Yay!
iTunes for Windows. On a Mac, it's a good product (it figures as much). On the PC, it will freeze every minute and lags like you would not believe because the iProgrammers are too lazy and ignorant to figure out how to program in C or C++ or some other MS programming language.
iTunes Store. $1.29 for a song? Are you serious? What happened to $0.99? That's just crazy. Ok. I want to preview a song,  but I have internet speeds below 3 mbps. I have to wait for a minute or so for the store to load, then to find the song. I preview the song. Loading stream... Plays song for 3 seconds. Re buffering stream... Continues till the user punches hole through monitor from anger.
I hope I have made my point in answering your question.
Have a good day.

I have to give you credit for that rant, it was pretty well thought out.
Honestly the only problem I have with Apple products is that they're overpriced.
Other than that, they're fine.
I'm okay with Macs (I don't have one, but I use them every day at school so I'm familiar with both that and Windows).
I love my iPad, it's great for internet browsing and art.
Also when you say the iPad is slow, it's probably just your Internet's fault.
I will agree that the battery life is way lower than 10 hours.

oh hey i have win8
been using it (full, official version) a month prior of release to the general public

i enjoy it a lot better than 7
my only complaint was that it took me forever to get the video driver to work properly
i had to boot in 'install anything' mode to install the win7 intel hd driver
now it works fine

banana500 wrote:

I have to give you credit for that rant, it was pretty well thought out.
Honestly the only problem I have with Apple products is that they're overpriced.
Other than that, they're fine.
I'm okay with Macs (I don't have one, but I use them every day at school so I'm familiar with both that and Windows).
I love my iPad, it's great for internet browsing and art.
Also when you say the iPad is slow, it's probably just your Internet's fault.
I will agree that the battery life is way lower than 10 hours.

Thanks. Ya, I don't have a Mac, but at school. They also have PCs as the main system so it is annoying when you have work on a Mac and try to get it on a PC or vice versa.

jji7skyline wrote:

terminator68 wrote:

Look, as bad as Windows 8 may seem, its actually pretty cool. The lack of the start button is obvious, but you could just hit start then type your search term. That's the feature I used the most in Win 7, but I still like Windows 8. Once you get used to it, I think its a great OS. Plus, it starts up WAY faster than the previous version.

Exactly. In Vista you was able to go on a holiday while the computer was booting, but now in Windows 8, you have to get straight to work/school/gaming/etc. It's not fair :'(

Yeah, I'm not scared to turn my laptop completely off like I am the family computer!

jji7skyline wrote:

Also you must have low internet because i use itunes on pc all the time with no probs.

For me, it takes about a forever and a half to start up (which I think is because of QuickTime)

jji7skyline wrote:

LeDerpy123 wrote:

macbookacer wrote:

Why do you hate apple?

Because I do. The products they make are pieces of trash packaged in a pretty glossy frame.
Mac. People are unaware of how much they could do with a PC versus a Mac. And there are so many things you can do on a PC that you would expect to be on anything. For example, I want to see every MP3 on my computer. I press Win + F. Then I type in *.mp3. Then all of my mp3s show up. Can you do that on a Mac? I don't think so. You have to open Finder and press all my files. Then you have to scroll and find Music, but it only shows all music, not just mp3s. And here's another one. Programs freeze on any computer all the time. I press CTRL + SHIFT + TAB and it opens the task manager. I go to processes, find the process, and kill it. It's done. How ever with a Mac, you have to find it on the dock, which can be annoying if you have the 21in. Mac and you have 20 programs open. Then you have to right click on the one button mouse, then press force quit. Then you have to wait about 5 minutes for the program to close. And then another 5 for the icon to leave the dock. Come on.
iPhones. What a mistake. There are no customization options at all. Just a fixed grid of apps. That's where Android and Windows Phone come into play. Android, you can customize it to what ever you want, ever. Windows Phone 8, slightly more limited, I know, but you can still adjust tile size and colors and stuff.
iPad. Slower than a snail walking backwards. Battery life is shorter than the time it takes to speak this sentence. Sure, the 4 finger stuff is pretty cool, but you wouldn't know that unless you were to look for it. The 1 speaker sounds like Spongebob laughing, not in a good way.
iPods. Same as iPhone. But no 3G (4G, whatever). But still costs like $200.
All iDevices. You drop it on the floor, your screen cracks, the hard drive gives out, and you lose all of your files. And it just so happens that your warranty ran up last week. You should have gotten a case! no problem, I'll just drive to the nearest Apple Store that is about an hour away and buy a case for the low price of $70! What a bargain!!!! Yay!
iTunes for Windows. On a Mac, it's a good product (it figures as much). On the PC, it will freeze every minute and lags like you would not believe because the iProgrammers are too lazy and ignorant to figure out how to program in C or C++ or some other MS programming language.
iTunes Store. $1.29 for a song? Are you serious? What happened to $0.99? That's just crazy. Ok. I want to preview a song,  but I have internet speeds below 3 mbps. I have to wait for a minute or so for the store to load, then to find the song. I preview the song. Loading stream... Plays song for 3 seconds. Re buffering stream... Continues till the user punches hole through monitor from anger.
I hope I have made my point in answering your question.
Have a good day.

On a mac i press Cmd+spacebar and type .mp3 and all my mp3 files show up. Don't trash something you know little about.

control+option+esc opens force quit which is 100% effective at closing non responsive apps.

Android phones. Some of them are cool, but many are locked down or skinned too much for the experience to be good. You can root and install cyanogenmod like i have done, but then you might as well jailbreak your iphone which gives you widgets on the home screens with no lag.

Devices being fragile? I've seen just as many androids with broken glass as iphones or ipods.

Ipads are slow? You must still have the ipad 2 or something. Try using an android tablet from that era. ;)

Ipods are the best portable music devices i have ever used, and the shuffle is very understated.

Also you must have low internet because i use itunes on pc all the time with no probs.

It seems that you were just trashing android devices there.

I understood most of your points, but really most of them seem like they're against androids.

I happen to be writing this on a Nexus 7 and it's quite possibly one of the greatest tablets of all time. I love the 7 inch form factor, it's fast, it has great apps, it's awesome for internet browsing, ideal for video chatting. I'd guess the Nexus 10 would be a better choice, because of larger screen surface area and rear-facing camera, but still...

Also iPods are okay, I love the iPod touch, but it kind of seems that they're making all the other iPod models into multi-touch devices, that's kinda annoying for me.

Yeah I agree LeDerpy must have low internet, but I don't iTunes because Spotify is my best friend.

Last edited by banana500 (2013-03-29 12:49:55)

LeDerpy123 wrote:

macbookacer wrote:

Why do you hate apple?

Because I do. The products they make are pieces of trash packaged in a pretty glossy frame.
Mac. People are unaware of how much they could do with a PC versus a Mac. And there are so many things you can do on a PC that you would expect to be on anything. For example, I want to see every MP3 on my computer. I press Win + F. Then I type in *.mp3. Then all of my mp3s show up. Can you do that on a Mac? I don't think so. You have to open Finder and press all my files. Then you have to scroll and find Music, but it only shows all music, not just mp3s. And here's another one. Programs freeze on any computer all the time. I press CTRL + SHIFT + TAB and it opens the task manager. I go to processes, find the process, and kill it. It's done. How ever with a Mac, you have to find it on the dock, which can be annoying if you have the 21in. Mac and you have 20 programs open. Then you have to right click on the one button mouse, then press force quit. Then you have to wait about 5 minutes for the program to close. And then another 5 for the icon to leave the dock. Come on.
iPhones. What a mistake. There are no customization options at all. Just a fixed grid of apps. That's where Android and Windows Phone come into play. Android, you can customize it to what ever you want, ever. Windows Phone 8, slightly more limited, I know, but you can still adjust tile size and colors and stuff.
iPad. Slower than a snail walking backwards. Battery life is shorter than the time it takes to speak this sentence. Sure, the 4 finger stuff is pretty cool, but you wouldn't know that unless you were to look for it. The 1 speaker sounds like Spongebob laughing, not in a good way.
iPods. Same as iPhone. But no 3G (4G, whatever). But still costs like $200.
All iDevices. You drop it on the floor, your screen cracks, the hard drive gives out, and you lose all of your files. And it just so happens that your warranty ran up last week. You should have gotten a case! no problem, I'll just drive to the nearest Apple Store that is about an hour away and buy a case for the low price of $70! What a bargain!!!! Yay!
iTunes for Windows. On a Mac, it's a good product (it figures as much). On the PC, it will freeze every minute and lags like you would not believe because the iProgrammers are too lazy and ignorant to figure out how to program in C or C++ or some other MS programming language.
iTunes Store. $1.29 for a song? Are you serious? What happened to $0.99? That's just crazy. Ok. I want to preview a song,  but I have internet speeds below 3 mbps. I have to wait for a minute or so for the store to load, then to find the song. I preview the song. Loading stream... Plays song for 3 seconds. Re buffering stream... Continues till the user punches hole through monitor from anger.
I hope I have made my point in answering your question.
Have a good day.

Now. I'm not an Apple fanboy and I differ with Apple on many places, but you don't present very many good arguments.

First of all, if you are using a Mac and don't have all of your MP3 files loaded into iTunes, you're doing it wrong. Why would I ever search for them when I could load them all into a categorized library that also happens to be the default music player?

Edit: I said "I" but I do not use OS X. Just to clear that up.

I can't speak for the task manager, but there should be ways to kill processes via terminal as it is a unix based system.

If you want customization options, by all means jailbreak it. The closed nature of iOS is one of my biggest annoyances with Apple as a developer, but that's with their internal policy, not iOS itself. What you do get, however, is a beautiful phone. Oh yeah, and everything else in the amazing number of apps on the App Store. AlsoI like to point out that smartphones are not intended to be the primary device of anyone. They're supposed to be small, portable, and give communication options like calling, SMS, and Facebook. People make them out to be wondergadgets, but that's what laptops, tablets, and desktops are for.

Clearly you have never used an iPad beyond the first generation. Everything launches nearly instantly after being selected and I have never had the battery run out on my iPad 2. Also I never use speakers, and there are rarely good speakers in such small devices.

Come on, are you really saying that a pocketable music player that can access the internet, take pictures, play games and watch video is not completely amazing? IF you have a smartphone don't bother, but if this no longer is amazing to people then we have a problem. That's absolutely worth 200 dollars. (Also note that the actual cost of an iPhone is more like $650 unlocked, but that is lowered when you buy from a carrier because they absorb the cost of the phone into the multi-thousand dollar contract you get for service)

So you're saying that damage only happens to Apple products? Are you serious?

Lol, C++ and C are "Windows" languages? C predates windows completely, and was originally developed for Unix. If anything, that makes it more of an "OS X language" than a "Windows language". Also you make completely unsupported claims that it is not written in C, what evidence do you have to support that?

You bash iTunes for a thirty cent price increase. For popular music, that is the new standard on Google Play and Amazon. It's a change in the recording industry, not in iTunes.

Your claim about the iTunes store being difficult to use on a slow connection makes no sense unless you want to compress an MP3 file even more than it already is. An MP3 should take the same amount of time to load no matter where the source is, unless you think Apple, the world's most valuable company, can't afford enough servers to support iTunes.

So there. Hate Apple all you want, but don't hate it for invalid reasons.

Last edited by 16Skittles (2013-03-29 14:00:45)

banana500 wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

LeDerpy123 wrote:

Because I do. The products they make are pieces of trash packaged in a pretty glossy frame.
Mac. People are unaware of how much they could do with a PC versus a Mac. And there are so many things you can do on a PC that you would expect to be on anything. For example, I want to see every MP3 on my computer. I press Win + F. Then I type in *.mp3. Then all of my mp3s show up. Can you do that on a Mac? I don't think so. You have to open Finder and press all my files. Then you have to scroll and find Music, but it only shows all music, not just mp3s. And here's another one. Programs freeze on any computer all the time. I press CTRL + SHIFT + TAB and it opens the task manager. I go to processes, find the process, and kill it. It's done. How ever with a Mac, you have to find it on the dock, which can be annoying if you have the 21in. Mac and you have 20 programs open. Then you have to right click on the one button mouse, then press force quit. Then you have to wait about 5 minutes for the program to close. And then another 5 for the icon to leave the dock. Come on.
iPhones. What a mistake. There are no customization options at all. Just a fixed grid of apps. That's where Android and Windows Phone come into play. Android, you can customize it to what ever you want, ever. Windows Phone 8, slightly more limited, I know, but you can still adjust tile size and colors and stuff.
iPad. Slower than a snail walking backwards. Battery life is shorter than the time it takes to speak this sentence. Sure, the 4 finger stuff is pretty cool, but you wouldn't know that unless you were to look for it. The 1 speaker sounds like Spongebob laughing, not in a good way.
iPods. Same as iPhone. But no 3G (4G, whatever). But still costs like $200.
All iDevices. You drop it on the floor, your screen cracks, the hard drive gives out, and you lose all of your files. And it just so happens that your warranty ran up last week. You should have gotten a case! no problem, I'll just drive to the nearest Apple Store that is about an hour away and buy a case for the low price of $70! What a bargain!!!! Yay!
iTunes for Windows. On a Mac, it's a good product (it figures as much). On the PC, it will freeze every minute and lags like you would not believe because the iProgrammers are too lazy and ignorant to figure out how to program in C or C++ or some other MS programming language.
iTunes Store. $1.29 for a song? Are you serious? What happened to $0.99? That's just crazy. Ok. I want to preview a song,  but I have internet speeds below 3 mbps. I have to wait for a minute or so for the store to load, then to find the song. I preview the song. Loading stream... Plays song for 3 seconds. Re buffering stream... Continues till the user punches hole through monitor from anger.
I hope I have made my point in answering your question.
Have a good day.

On a mac i press Cmd+spacebar and type .mp3 and all my mp3 files show up. Don't trash something you know little about.

control+option+esc opens force quit which is 100% effective at closing non responsive apps.

Android phones. Some of them are cool, but many are locked down or skinned too much for the experience to be good. You can root and install cyanogenmod like i have done, but then you might as well jailbreak your iphone which gives you widgets on the home screens with no lag.

Devices being fragile? I've seen just as many androids with broken glass as iphones or ipods.

Ipads are slow? You must still have the ipad 2 or something. Try using an android tablet from that era. 

Ipods are the best portable music devices i have ever used, and the shuffle is very understated.

Also you must have low internet because i use itunes on pc all the time with no probs.

It seems that you were just trashing android devices there.

I understood most of your points, but really most of them seem like they're against androids.

I happen to be writing this on a Nexus 7 and it's quite possibly one of the greatest tablets of all time. I love the 7 inch form factor, it's fast, it has great apps, it's awesome for internet browsing, ideal for video chatting. I'd guess the Nexus 10 would be a better choice, because of larger screen surface area and rear-facing camera, but still...

Also iPods are okay, I love the iPod touch, but it kind of seems that they're making all the other iPod models into multi-touch devices, that's kinda annoying for me.

Yeah I agree LeDerpy must have low internet, but I don't iTunes because Spotify is my best friend.

I own a android tablet myself, and i like the nexus devices, but what i was saying was that most android phones are too locked down or skinned to provide a good experience.

@16skittles: exactly...

Has anybody had experience with add-on touchscreens? I may try to get one if
I actually carry throughh with this Win8 PC ressurection/Rebuild