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#26 2013-03-18 16:47:14

PhantomEXE
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Registered: 2012-01-27
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Re: I'm going to say it.

BLU_Spy wrote:

shadowmouse wrote:

I agree with you PhantomEXE. I think that there should be much less static art on the site. It clogs it up. And I know that Paddle2See says that scratch isn't just for programming but why would you use scratch for static drawings (animation are programs) if you can use something with is more graphically orientated (such as paint or gimp)? And a slightly different question: Why are the so many drawing competitions? Not to offend anyone but I keep seeing 'draw a mate for' or 'design a new member of the -clan' projects and in my opinion they just get in the way of the programs or animations. I personally think that there should be a seperate part for the site for people who want to post that sort of thing.

No, there shouldn‘t.

Scratch is for everyone, and everything.

You‘re not being forced to like them, though. Ignore projects like that; that‘s what I do.

Scratch is for everything? Everything?
Wait a minute here...
I'll give you a chance to retract that before I rebut it.


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#27 2013-03-18 16:49:49

PhantomEXE
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Re: I'm going to say it.

shadowmouse wrote:

I agree with you PhantomEXE. I think that there should be much less static art on the site. It clogs it up. And I know that Paddle2See says that scratch isn't just for programming but why would you use scratch for static drawings (animation are programs) if you can use something with is more graphically orientated (such as paint or gimp)? And a slightly different question: Why are the so many drawing competitions? Not to offend anyone but I keep seeing 'draw a mate for' or 'design a new member of the -clan' projects and in my opinion they just get in the way of the programs or animations. I personally think that there should be a seperate part for the site for people who want to post that sort of thing.

Thanks for supporting me.

I don't think, however, that there should be a separate section of scratch for static art contests. It's entirely unnecessary. Google "Warrior Cats Art Contest" (I just did).


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#28 2013-03-18 16:56:51

joshuaho
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Registered: 2012-08-20
Posts: 100+

Re: I'm going to say it.

PhantomEXE wrote:

Read the entire post. THE WHOLE THING. Then hate me.

Alrighty here. I'm probably going to regret this, but someone has to say it.

Taking a deep breath. Buckling down. Set phasers to "Dragon Tongue" and diverting all power to forward shields.

Okay. Here is what the Higher Beings What Can Actually Program and thus Created Scratch have spoken:

"Scratch is a programming language that makes it easy to create your own interactive stories, animations, games, music, and art -- and share your creations on the web."

Art. Art. Hmmm.
That project you posted a while back. The art one that probably had something to do with a cat. Did you create that drawing using scratch? Is it animated, or does it otherwise somehow use scratch to perform something it couldn't otherwise?
If no, it really shouldn't be on the scratch website. If you have cool art that has nothing to do with scratch and does not require scratch (like a static drawing), post it somewhere else, like DeviantArt or something. The scratch website is for sharing things created using scratch, as shown by the above statement of scratch's purpose on what applies to art:

"Scratch is a programming language that makes it easy to create your own...art -- and share your creations on the web."

If you post art on the scratch website, it should be created using scratch or somehow require scratch to function. Even if scratch was a place to share static drawings, it would be a pretty poor place for it, given the relatively low number of users and (for drawings, at least) small resolution.

I would also like to add that this is not restricted to art. For example, if I was to start using scratch to blog, that would also be a misuse of scratch. I should blog on BlogSpot or some other place that is more appropriate.

There is a place for most of these things! Just make sure that your ideas belong in scratch before submitting them.

If you disagree, I understand, but think before you post! Please do not waste anyone's time with invalid arguments.

I have spoken.

It is not up to you to make them do what you want to do. Scratch is a fun way for learning-especially for kids.


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#29 2013-03-18 16:59:46

joshuaho
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Re: I'm going to say it.

Paddle2See wrote:

I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this...because we've been over it a number of times before.

The Scratch website is for people to create, learn and share in many ways - not just for programming.  Not to put too fine a point on it...the site is owned and operated by the Scratch Team and offered to the public free of charge.  The Scratch Team, then, gets to decide when it is not being used properly.  We'll let you know when we see it  smile

Yay! A Scratch Team member has seen this post!  big_smile  Thanks for helping!!


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#30 2013-03-18 16:59:59

PhantomEXE
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Registered: 2012-01-27
Posts: 27

Re: I'm going to say it.

joshuaho wrote:

PhantomEXE wrote:

Read the entire post. THE WHOLE THING. Then hate me.

Alrighty here. I'm probably going to regret this, but someone has to say it.

Taking a deep breath. Buckling down. Set phasers to "Dragon Tongue" and diverting all power to forward shields.

Okay. Here is what the Higher Beings What Can Actually Program and thus Created Scratch have spoken:

"Scratch is a programming language that makes it easy to create your own interactive stories, animations, games, music, and art -- and share your creations on the web."

Art. Art. Hmmm.
That project you posted a while back. The art one that probably had something to do with a cat. Did you create that drawing using scratch? Is it animated, or does it otherwise somehow use scratch to perform something it couldn't otherwise?
If no, it really shouldn't be on the scratch website. If you have cool art that has nothing to do with scratch and does not require scratch (like a static drawing), post it somewhere else, like DeviantArt or something. The scratch website is for sharing things created using scratch, as shown by the above statement of scratch's purpose on what applies to art:

"Scratch is a programming language that makes it easy to create your own...art -- and share your creations on the web."

If you post art on the scratch website, it should be created using scratch or somehow require scratch to function. Even if scratch was a place to share static drawings, it would be a pretty poor place for it, given the relatively low number of users and (for drawings, at least) small resolution.

I would also like to add that this is not restricted to art. For example, if I was to start using scratch to blog, that would also be a misuse of scratch. I should blog on BlogSpot or some other place that is more appropriate.

There is a place for most of these things! Just make sure that your ideas belong in scratch before submitting them.

If you disagree, I understand, but think before you post! Please do not waste anyone's time with invalid arguments.

I have spoken.

It is not up to you to make them do what you want to do. Scratch is a fun way for learning-especially for kids.

That's true.

Judging by the tone, I think you were arguing against me. But I totally agree with what you said, and I don't think I ever said otherwise. Do try to be more clear.

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#31 2013-03-18 17:08:47

joshuaho
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Re: I'm going to say it.

PhantomEXE wrote:

That's true.

Judging by the tone, I think you were arguing against me. But I totally agree with what you said, and I don't think I ever said otherwise. Do try to be more clear.

Really? That is cool!  cool


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#32 2013-03-18 17:10:20

PhantomEXE
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Registered: 2012-01-27
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Re: I'm going to say it.

joshuaho wrote:

PhantomEXE wrote:

That's true.

Judging by the tone, I think you were arguing against me. But I totally agree with what you said, and I don't think I ever said otherwise. Do try to be more clear.

Really? That is cool!  cool

Cool? I'm not sure what you mean.

Last edited by PhantomEXE (2013-03-18 17:10:35)


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#33 2013-03-18 17:13:15

joshuaho
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Registered: 2012-08-20
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Re: I'm going to say it.

PhantomEXE wrote:

joshuaho wrote:

PhantomEXE wrote:

That's true.

Judging by the tone, I think you were arguing against me. But I totally agree with what you said, and I don't think I ever said otherwise. Do try to be more clear.

Really? That is cool!  cool

Cool? I'm not sure what you mean.

What is cool is that you said that you agreed with what I said.


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#34 2013-03-18 17:14:50

PhantomEXE
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Registered: 2012-01-27
Posts: 27

Re: I'm going to say it.

joshuaho wrote:

PhantomEXE wrote:

joshuaho wrote:


Really? That is cool!  cool

Cool? I'm not sure what you mean.

What is cool is that you said that you agreed with what I said.

Oh. So it is.


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#35 2013-03-18 18:26:02

cheddargirl
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Registered: 2008-09-15
Posts: 1000+

Re: I'm going to say it.

The about section might be unclear, but this quote should clear it up.

Paddle2See wrote:

The Scratch Team is aware that there are tensions within the community but at this time there are no restrictions on the kinds of projects that are accepted (as long as they are appropriate).  Please do not try and make different segments of the community feel that they are not welcome.

The MIT Media Lab, that created Scratch, is interested in enabling digital creativity in ALL forms - not just programming.  The fact that art with music (and without it) has become so popular is an interesting aspect of the Scratch project that, while unexpected, is certainly welcome. (Quote source}


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