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#7301 2013-03-11 20:56:44

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

technoboy10 wrote:

If I get accepted, yeah, I'll be able to come.  smile

Yay!  So we'll have tb, blob, JSO, anyone else?

And, are you bringing a parent, or can you in fact share a room with blob?  (Jens can make sure you get picked up at the airport, right, Jens?  But they won't let you leave the country alone without letters from both parents signed in blood, these days.)

EDIT:  Certainly all the Community Moderators should come, hint hint.

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#7302 2013-03-11 21:22:25

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

bharvey wrote:

EDIT:  Certainly all the Community Moderators should come, hint hint.

I live on a different continent…


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#7303 2013-03-11 21:27:25

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

bharvey wrote:

P.S.  Are you really the only person on earth who's neither read the books nor seen the movies?

I gave up after the fourth (that was in 5th grade). And haven't seen any movie end-to-end.

I have finished LOTR, though.  big_smile


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#7304 2013-03-11 23:48:42

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I have finished LOTR, though.  big_smile

Yeah, it says so in your sig.  tongue

But you did get far enough in HP to know what parseltongue is!

You coming to Barcelona?


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#7305 2013-03-11 23:50:42

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nXIII wrote:

I live on a different continent…

So do I; so does tb10.  It's a small world.

PS  Dan Garcia's coming, too.

PPS  The PS above isn't @nXIII in particular, just a general announcement.

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#7306 2013-03-12 02:50:57

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

Okay guys, about the Barcelona conference: I'm really, really serious that I want you all to submit proposals of the work you've been doing. Be sure not to miss the new deadline, which is March 15, and upcoming shortly! The good thing is that you don't have to submit anything fancy, not a scientific paper, just a short description of the project you've been working on and what you're going to show. Since I know your projects I also know and can tell that they're all for real.

Here's the thing: I think you've done *very* fantastic work, and that projects the likes of

    * YPR->Snap
    * Snapin8or
    * Snap-nxt
    * Kurt

are simply amazing, much more impressive than many projects presented by adult researchers. So, these projects are super cool and interesting as such, not because you're kids. I bet there will *huge* interest in the Snap-nxt extension, because everybody at the conference is going to go nuts about robotics. We have tons of sessions about Enchanting, NXT and Robots such as the Finch, and here we have technoboy with an actual polished and mature project which is basically an Enchanting-killer. Plus, technoboy can tell us how he did it, how you can write your own hardware extension for anything! You have to realize that this going to spark widespread interest among many, many conference participants.

Then we have all those curriculum developers for Scratch and BYOB. We *have* to offer them a perspective how they can reuse all the work they've already done and a strategy how to migrate to newer versions of Scratch and Snap. And this is where YPT->Snap, Snapin8or and Kurt come in!

So, please, please submit something soon, all of you! I would suggest a Poster/Demo and a Lightening presentation for each of your projects, and I would myself take the liberty to suggest a panel discussion with all of you (err, all of us) together onstage.

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#7307 2013-03-12 06:22:43

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Aww… this looks so exciting, but I'm afraid I can't come.  sad  We're probably going to be moving (again…) around that time, and I'll (hopefully! fingers crossed) going to be in a new school. And anyway, it's kind of far from where I am.

blob, if you want to do a short talk about Snapin8r during your Kurt session you're totally free to do so. By then, I expect to have a full-fledged Mac application for a friendly a GUI, and support all Scratch 2.0 features (with some optional hacks). I'll make you a short presentation on gdocs (or a video, if you don't want to put up with my bad presentation-making skills) if you need it.  smile


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#7308 2013-03-12 06:25:32

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

bharvey wrote:

Hardmath123 wrote:

I have finished LOTR, though.  big_smile

Yeah, it says so in your sig.  tongue

Oh yeah, I forgot you actually read our sigs…  tongue

But you did get far enough in HP to know what parseltongue is!

I never said I didn't.

You coming to Barcelona?

See above post?  sad


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#7309 2013-03-12 06:46:53

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

The facilities in Barcelona are great and very high-tech. If some of you could make it there in person, we can set up a live streaming video conference with others who can't be there in person, but who would like to demo something or participate in a panel nonetheless.


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#7310 2013-03-12 07:03:22

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

Can you play a short (maximum 5-minute) video?

Also, I got a nice UI for the Mac app done. Should I export .xml or .snap files?  smile


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#7311 2013-03-12 07:03:36

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

Jens wrote:

The facilities in Barcelona are great and very high-tech.

The photos do look awesome!  big_smile

I'm still trying to figure out travel...


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#7312 2013-03-12 07:26:28

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

a video would be great. You can name the files with any extension you want, doesn't have to be named ".xml". In fact, we might think about officially naming them something else. Any thoughts / suggestions?

   * projects: xpr
   * sprites: xsp
   * blocks: xlb

or would you rather use *.snap ?


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#7313 2013-03-12 07:27:39

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

Snap! suggestion:

Checkboxes in context menus of blocks!
When they are checked, the name of the parameter would appear in brackets in the block text, otherwise it would look normal. For example, the <() = ()> and <() contains ()> blocks could have a "case sensitive" option, <<> and <>>and <<> or <>> could have a "short circuit" option, and rings could have a "last argument varadic" option! You could also select "Context-menu check box" as one of the input types for a block. It would have boolean value.

I'm suggesting this because I've had to make lots of blocks look ugly by including a boolean parameter.


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#7314 2013-03-12 07:31:19

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

Jens wrote:

a video would be great. You can name the files with any extension you want, doesn't have to be named ".xml". In fact, we might think about officially naming them something else. Any thoughts / suggestions?

   * projects: xpr
   * sprites: xsp
   * blocks: xlb

or would you rather use *.snap ?

I vote .snap, because you should be able to infer the type of project/block/sprite from the XML.


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#7315 2013-03-12 07:34:05

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

joefarebrother wrote:

Snap! suggestion:

Checkboxes in context menus of blocks!
When they are checked, the name of the parameter would appear in brackets in the block text, otherwise it would look normal. For example, the <() = ()> and <() contains ()> blocks could have a "case sensitive" option, <<> and <>>and <<> or <>> could have a "short circuit" option, and rings could have a "last argument varadic" option! You could also select "Context-menu check box" as one of the input types for a block. It would have boolean value.

I'm suggesting this because I've had to make lots of blocks look ugly by including a boolean parameter.

Though this would be pretty useful, I think it's kind of overkill. How about being able to define dropdowns on the fly? You just need to add a new form in which you can add options, and toggle that when you select input type as "dropdown". You should also be able to choose from existing dropdowns %…s.


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#7316 2013-03-12 07:35:59

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

Hardmath123 wrote:

joefarebrother wrote:

Snap! suggestion:

Checkboxes in context menus of blocks!
When they are checked, the name of the parameter would appear in brackets in the block text, otherwise it would look normal. For example, the <() = ()> and <() contains ()> blocks could have a "case sensitive" option, <<> and <>>and <<> or <>> could have a "short circuit" option, and rings could have a "last argument varadic" option! You could also select "Context-menu check box" as one of the input types for a block. It would have boolean value.

I'm suggesting this because I've had to make lots of blocks look ugly by including a boolean parameter.

Though this would be pretty useful, I think it's kind of overkill. How about being able to define dropdowns on the fly? You just need to add a new form in which you can add options, and toggle that when you select input type as "dropdown". You should also be able to choose from existing dropdowns %…s.

No, i mean you right click on the block and along with "duplicate", "delete", and "help" you would have a checkbox labeled "case-sensitive", "lazy", "variadic", ect.


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#7317 2013-03-12 07:40:53

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

joefarebrother wrote:

Checkboxes in context menus of blocks!

Does that make it not obvious from looking at the block what it does?


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#7318 2013-03-12 07:54:33

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

blob8108 wrote:

joefarebrother wrote:

Checkboxes in context menus of blocks!

Does that make it not obvious from looking at the block what it does?

Yeah—does it display the choice on the block? If not, it could cause a lot of confusion.

On the other hand, excessively long blocks with pointless <true> or <false> inputs are also kind of painful. Maybe a checkbox input that shows up directly on the block?  hmm


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#7319 2013-03-12 07:54:42

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

blob8108 wrote:

joefarebrother wrote:

Checkboxes in context menus of blocks!

Does that make it not obvious from looking at the block what it does?

Well if the checkbox is selected, the label of the checkbox will be shown in brackets in the block's text.


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#7320 2013-03-12 09:03:09

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

Amending my earlier statements about Barcelona:
It's not a definite 'yes' that I'm going, but it's not an absolute 'no.' My parents and I are taking this one step at a time.  smile


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#7321 2013-03-12 09:20:16

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

@blob, I dare you not to show M30W in your presentation  wink

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#7322 2013-03-12 09:52:56

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Re: BYOB 3 - Discussion Thread

Presumably it's okay to submit a proposal, even if we're not sure we can come?

roijac wrote:

I dare you not to show M30W in your presentation  wink

I'll try my best  tongue


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#7323 2013-03-12 09:57:49

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Jens, is your email address hidden somewhere?


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#7324 2013-03-12 10:06:23

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My email address is all over Snap!, in the source code and probably all over the web anyway. Hint: In Snap! click on the logo and then on "About..." there it is!

Yes, it's okay to submit a proposal without being sure whether you're coming. Many people only decide that they'll come if their proposals are accepted. After your proposal is accepted you'll be given time to register for good - then you'll *have* to come, otherwise, if you don't register within a certain time after being accepted, we'll reject your proposal again. See, it's easy!  smile


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#7325 2013-03-12 10:08:18

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@Joefarebrother: I'm making both the AND and the OR primitives lazy in the upcoming release (they should've always been that, but I just didn't get around to doing so until now)


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