Many years ago, my father and uncle made a tape. It was never put "out", unfortunately. Now, the tapes' are deteriorating, so i decided it's a good time to convert them!
I found 3 copies: 2 demos (tape1 and tape2), and the "real thing" (tape3). The demos are pretty much like the real one, but tape3 had a song that the demos didn't, and tape2 had a song that the others didn't. It seems like sometimes over the past year however, tape3 seriously deteriorated, with a "bump" - sort of a silence dip every few seconds.
So now i'm using Audacity to try and boost the quality of the others, tape1 especially, because it already has the best quality.
So far i have used noise removal and bass boost. Anyone have suggestions for other effects to try?
Has anyone else ever converted cassettes?
Now that we have the software and hardware, it's going to be my job to convert all of our tapes, but i don't have to quality boost them (good thing too, because the editing takes hours)!
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I tried converting a few of my cassettes once, but I couldn't get the levels right so I kind of gave up.
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DIY wrote:
I'm not sure if you'll fancy the idea, but I sure could try and lend you a hand if you want with the sound-salvation process as I'm very much proficient in that department. Of course, I understand completely if you don't want to share these tapes with others, just a suggestion.
Thanks for the offer, but not right now. But feel free to share your tips!
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I'm no audiophile or anything, but I say it's best to save it to FLAC or some other lossless format, for the sake of conservating the songs as perfectly as possible. But variable rate or 320 kbps MP3 or OGG should sound just as good to anyone.
I can't suggest any specific effect, as I haven't listened to the tracks, but:
- You could try some EQ, at discretion, as you want to restore the track, not remaster it.
- Perhaps some compressing or limiting if it's a quiet track, with abnormally loud spots.
- Stereo enhancement is fun to play with, but how the song is enhanced really depends on the plugin you're using. You may as well not need it. Can't suggest any good ones, as I haven't used this kind of effect in a while.
- After you're done, normalize it, so it isn't quieter or louder than other tracks in, say, a music playlist.
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my kind of thread!
I would pretty much agree with what techno said. Be sure that the noise removal is set in a way so that it's not like super warbly and stuff. Also make sure that when you transfer the raw recordings from the tapes that you don't have the volume set too high on the device you're using to play back the tape, or else it'll clip and that is awful and bad.
I've transferred quite a bit of cassettes (including my own!) and vinyl.
What type of tapes were they recorded on, and how were they recorded? And were they recorded with some type of 4 track or something?
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I actually just started doing some of this! A couple rather obvious tips:
1. Use the best cassette player possible in your house, etc. In my opinion, the bigger it is, the better it is.
2. Read the manual. My Pioneer deck has some correction thing built in, and it worked great on a cheap tape that was recorded on 30+ years ago.
If you have any questions, I'd be happy to help you!
Update: In my opinion, Audacity's noise removal (to actually remove the noise) harms audio quality. I used the free 30-day trial of ClickRepair and it was good for my needs. (Please note: I am not associated with the developer in any way.)
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IHeartGaming wrote:
I actually just started doing some of this! A couple rather obvious tips:
1. Use the best cassette player possible in your house, etc. In my opinion, the bigger it is, the better it is.
2. Read the manual. My Pioneer deck has some correction thing built in, and it worked great on a cheap tape that was recorded on 30+ years ago.If you have any questions, I'd be happy to help you!
Update: In my opinion, Audacity's noise removal (to actually remove the noise) harms audio quality. I used the free 30-day trial of ClickRepair and it was good for my needs. (Please note: I am not associated with the developer in any way.)
2. Are you talking about Dolby noise reduction? My stereo's got various options for that, but one of its tape players is dead and the other distorts the sound
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veggieman001 wrote:
IHeartGaming wrote:
I actually just started doing some of this! A couple rather obvious tips:
1. Use the best cassette player possible in your house, etc. In my opinion, the bigger it is, the better it is.
2. Read the manual. My Pioneer deck has some correction thing built in, and it worked great on a cheap tape that was recorded on 30+ years ago.If you have any questions, I'd be happy to help you!
Update: In my opinion, Audacity's noise removal (to actually remove the noise) harms audio quality. I used the free 30-day trial of ClickRepair and it was good for my needs. (Please note: I am not associated with the developer in any way.)2. Are you talking about Dolby noise reduction? My stereo's got various options for that, but one of its tape players is dead and the other distorts the sound
I don't use Dolby unless it was marked on the tape or the tape's case. My deck has something called FLEX. It's a Pioneer deck. You can see the details of this FLEX thingy on page 8 of the manual.
@scimonster: What brand are those tapes?
Edit: One other tip - when you plug the tape player into your computer, use a "line in" jack if you can. I've heard that the "microphone" ones can distort the sound a little bit.
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veggieman001 wrote:
(...) make sure that when you transfer the raw recordings from the tapes that you don't have the volume set too high on the device you're using to play back the tape, or else it'll clip and that is awful and bad.
IHeartGaming wrote:
Edit: One other tip - when you plug the tape player into your computer, use a "line in" jack if you can. I've heard that the "microphone" ones can distort the sound a little bit.
These two tips are also super important - totally forgot about them. sci, you probably already managed to digitalize the tapes with no distortion if he's already removing noise and EQing, but you might be able to get a better sound following these tips.
veggieman001 wrote:
What type of tapes were they recorded on, and how were they recorded? And were they recorded with some type of 4 track or something?
I'm also curious about this. :3
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Plus, when you use line in, you can hear it when it's recording in (at least on Windows XP if you turn the line in volume up; I dunno about other stuff) which is swagaliciously cooleriffic.
But yeah anyway my main reason for asking if it's like a four track or high bias or something is that you want to make sure you're getting everything. (Though I'd assume you'd easily be able to figure that out if you weren't so that's probably not an issue.)
Also, how old are the tapes? It's interesting that the one has deteriorated where the others haven't. Is each on a different type of tape?
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Also, when encoding to MP3, make sure you do it at a decent bitrate (320 or V0) or just use FLAC because it's amazinggggg
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veggieman001 wrote:
Also, when encoding to MP3, make sure you do it at a decent bitrate (320 or V0) or just use FLAC because it's amazinggggg
+1 Use Losslessssss.
Also, if some of the demos are quite similar to the final recording, try loading all of them to one audacity project, then overdubbing the final recording with the demos in areas that have been damaged, but make sure it's not full opacity, just a slight blend.
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Another Tip
You can make the cassette tapes temporarily sound like brand new (especially if they've stretched), by placing them in the freezer for about an hour.
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jji7skyline wrote:
Another Tip
You can make the cassette tapes temporarily sound like brand new (especially if they've stretched), by placing them in the freezer for about an hour.
That sounds interesting although I've never tried it. Do you have proof it, like, works?
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veggieman001 wrote:
jji7skyline wrote:
Another Tip
You can make the cassette tapes temporarily sound like brand new (especially if they've stretched), by placing them in the freezer for about an hour.That sounds interesting although I've never tried it. Do you have proof it, like, works?
We did a huge cleanup of all our old music cassettes, and cassettes that sounded squeaky and generally awful (I think that's how they sounded, it was quite a long time ago), sounded monumentally better after this treatment. I'm pretty sure it's a temporary fix, and I don't think it harms the tape in any way.
I just googled it and I can't find anything on it, so it must be a method older than the internet
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((that's what I'm wondering about))
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You doubt my word???
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slinger wrote:
^ haha
@sci, sorry, I don't have any experience in converting tapes to computer audio but everything veggie and techno said sounds correct to me. :p
I got no experience in that either; just in music production in general
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tape1 says D90 and IECI/TYPEI.
tape2: HF and TYPEI NORMAL BIAS 120 [thingy that looks like a u]s EQ.
tape3: HF and TYPEI NORMAL BIAS.
Does the freezer thing really work? If so, i might try that, and try re-recording.
@jji7, about the blending: i kinda doubt that would work, because the final is so badly damaged. Like i said, every few seconds, it takes a silence for a second or two.
Not sure exactly what line-in is, but i used a white/red audio cable, connected to a piece of hardware called the VIDBOX, used for conversion. I was able to listen to it as it converted.
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scimonster wrote:
Not sure exactly what line-in is, but i used a white/red audio cable, connected to a piece of hardware called the VIDBOX, used for conversion. I was able to listen to it as it converted.
Line in is a port on your computer, assuming you're using a Windows desktop (/some laptops)
I've never heard of this VIDBOX thing, but I'm assuming you're doing RCA out from the tape player into it and then it sent it via USB or something to a computer? I couldn't find anything about it by goooooogling.
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veggieman001 wrote:
scimonster wrote:
Not sure exactly what line-in is, but i used a white/red audio cable, connected to a piece of hardware called the VIDBOX, used for conversion. I was able to listen to it as it converted.
Line in is a port on your computer, assuming you're using a Windows desktop (/some laptops)
I've never heard of this VIDBOX thing, but I'm assuming you're doing RCA out from the tape player into it and then it sent it via USB or something to a computer? I couldn't find anything about it by goooooogling.
My computer doesn't seem to have that. But you got it right about the VIDBOX. It's manufactured by Honestech.
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scimonster wrote:
tape1 says D90 and IECI/TYPEI.
tape2: HF and TYPEI NORMAL BIAS 120 [thingy that looks like a u]s EQ.
tape3: HF and TYPEI NORMAL BIAS.
Tape 1 is probably a TDK D90 according to my Google search. (The IECI gave it away.)
Tapes 2 and 3 are probably Sony tapes, according to another Google search that I just did.
In my experience with tapes that I've converted, those are decent tapes. I had a KMart tape that was bad, and I've heard that the below tape is awful:
I just wanted to make sure that you didn't have some awful thing to try to salvage the quality of.
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