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#1 2013-02-12 13:59:25

MrScoop
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Homemade PC

Hello everyone, I'm building a PC with my friend (sounds nerdy, I know  tongue  ) and I'm not 100% sure what fits with what. Here's what I've got in my amazon basket:
Parts:
Motherboard
Graphics Card
Case
RAM
Hard Drive
Processor
Disk Drive
Windows 8 OEM

I know this probably isn't the best site for asking all that but tomshardware appears to be dead. I've checked them all and I think they work but I don't want to buy them and discover they don't fit together.

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#2 2013-02-12 14:03:03

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Re: Homemade PC

Yeah that seems okay, but you shouldn't take my word for it.
The video card seems a little extreme though, do you really need 2gb on it?

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#3 2013-02-12 14:16:50

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Re: Homemade PC

Yeah my friend said thats quite powerful. It is all in my budget of £600 though, so its a lot cheaper than the equivalent pre-made from alienware or something

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#4 2013-02-12 14:37:46

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Re: Homemade PC

I would ditch that OP Card and go for a 64gb SSD as startup disk


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#5 2013-02-12 14:46:13

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Re: Homemade PC

Laternenpfahl wrote:

I would ditch that OP Card and go for a 64gb SSD as startup disk

OP card?

SSD is memory, right? I can't just have 64GB!

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#6 2013-02-12 15:07:36

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Re: Homemade PC

You could have a regular 500+ MB drive with a smaller solid state drive to hold only the operating system. This would increase the boot speed a lot.


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#7 2013-02-12 15:10:32

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Re: Homemade PC

and then have another hard drive also? (but maybe a little smaller than 500GB) not sure how many hard drives my mobo will support though.

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#8 2013-02-12 15:28:07

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Re: Homemade PC

would 32gb ssd work?

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#9 2013-02-12 15:55:39

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Re: Homemade PC

MrScoop wrote:

would 32gb ssd work?

Mine is 64 I think. They really run out fast.
If it fits your budget better go for the 32.

Also, good luck!

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#10 2013-02-12 16:42:56

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Re: Homemade PC

The motherboard you chose has 6 SATA ports - see the official specifications. That should be more than enough - you'd be using half of them if you're going for an SSD, a HD and a DVD drive.

I just checked everything you're looking to buy, it should work fine and "fit together" as you said. The motherboard has sockets for everything you want to use.  smile  You'll need 3 SATA cables and a power one, but as they're readily available I figure you've taken care of that already.

You missed something essential: Some kind of cooling methods for the processor. Fans, heatsinks, water cooling.

It's clearly a high-end setup, but maybe it's just the fact I'm used to much more modest machines  tongue  I presume you're looking to use it for gaming?


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#11 2013-02-12 17:28:13

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Re: Homemade PC

All the parts will work together no problem, but that doesn't mean there isn't a problem:

The AMD CPUs from the last few years have been slow compared to their Intel counterparts, and yet cost just as much and use more power. You would be much better served for about the same price with the Intel Core i5-3570 and this motherboard.


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#12 2013-02-12 23:44:20

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Re: Homemade PC

Well, let's see. For one, I agree with fire219. The FX series is by no means bad, but you'd be much better off with an Ivy Bridge i5.

Second, some people have been recommending an SSD. Getting one is no doubt a good investment, but your current motherboard choice doesn't have 6 gb/s SATA, so you may not be able to take full advantage of the speeds of some drives. (Just make sure to check the specs on the speeds first.)

I don't see any problem with your choice in GPU (I actually highly recommend the Radeon HD 78XX series) - 2GB memory on it isn't totally necessary but hey, if it's a good deal go for it.

Finally, and this is the most important: please, for the love of all that is good in this world, do not buy that case. The case itself is probably fine, but what concerns me is the bundled PSU. I consider the PSU one of, if not the most important item in a computer, because if that fails, it can destroy everything else. I highly recommend you buy something from a more reputable manufacturer like Seasonic or Corsair. This is one of my personal favorites. Don't ever trust a PSU from brand that you aren't sure is dedicated to quality, because they're often mislabeled and unreliable.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/low … ,2862.html
(Sorry if I came across too forceful here, but it's one issue that I'm very adamant about. Please don't cut corners when it comes to PSU's, or motherboards for that matter - it's not worth the risk.)

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#13 2013-02-13 08:15:32

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Re: Homemade PC

Harakou wrote:

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Finally, and this is the most important: please, for the love of all that is good in this world, do not buy that case. The case itself is probably fine, but what concerns me is the bundled PSU. I consider the PSU one of, if not the most important item in a computer, because if that fails, it can destroy everything else. I highly recommend you buy something from a more reputable manufacturer like Seasonic or Corsair. This is one of my personal favorites. Don't ever trust a PSU from brand that you aren't sure is dedicated to quality, because they're often mislabeled and unreliable.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/low … ,2862.html
(Sorry if I came across too forceful here, but it's one issue that I'm very adamant about. Please don't cut corners when it comes to PSU's, or motherboards for that matter - it's not worth the risk.)

I thought about mentioning that, but was too tired yesterday to write a long-winded post.  tongue

Another PSU company I would suggest is Thermaltake. They make cheap yet high quality units.


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#14 2013-02-13 16:05:01

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Re: Homemade PC

technoguyx wrote:

You missed something essential: Some kind of cooling methods for the processor. Fans, heatsinks, water cooling.

I thought the case came with  four fans? Wouldn't that be enough?

fire219 wrote:

The AMD CPUs from the last few years have been slow compared to their Intel counterparts, and yet cost just as much and use more power. You would be much better served for about the same price with the this motherboard[/url].

Isn't the AMD CPU I chose the counterpart to the i7? Thats what I thought anyway, I might be wrong.

Harakou wrote:

Finally, and this is the most important: please, for the love of all that is good in this world, do not buy that case. The case itself is probably fine, but what concerns me is the bundled PSU. I consider the PSU one of, if not the most important item in a computer, because if that fails, it can destroy everything else. I highly recommend you buy something from a more reputable manufacturer like Seasonic or Corsair.

I don't exactly have a large budget, but if what you're saying is true, which one would you reccomend? I'm going for a 700w or 750w to ensure it will power everything.

fire219 wrote:

Another PSU company I would suggest is Thermaltake. They make cheap yet high quality units.

I've just had a quick look on amazon, they're really quite expensive. Like I said to Harakou, is there any one in particular you'd reccomend?

If I have to I'm sure I'll probably leave the SSD out for now. I'm pretty much at my budget as it is already.

Anyway, thanks for all your input- much appreciated so far!

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#15 2013-02-13 16:07:50

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Re: Homemade PC

fire219 wrote:

Another PSU company I would suggest is Thermaltake. They make cheap yet high quality units.

Wait a cotton picking minute! is this the kind of thing you were on about?

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#16 2013-02-13 17:07:38

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Re: Homemade PC

MrScoop wrote:

technoguyx wrote:

You missed something essential: Some kind of cooling methods for the processor. Fans, heatsinks, water cooling.

I thought the case came with  four fans? Wouldn't that be enough?

fire219 wrote:

The AMD CPUs from the last few years have been slow compared to their Intel counterparts, and yet cost just as much and use more power. You would be much better served for about the same price with the this motherboard[/url].

Isn't the AMD CPU I chose the counterpart to the i7? Thats what I thought anyway, I might be wrong.

Harakou wrote:

Finally, and this is the most important: please, for the love of all that is good in this world, do not buy that case. The case itself is probably fine, but what concerns me is the bundled PSU. I consider the PSU one of, if not the most important item in a computer, because if that fails, it can destroy everything else. I highly recommend you buy something from a more reputable manufacturer like Seasonic or Corsair.

I don't exactly have a large budget, but if what you're saying is true, which one would you reccomend? I'm going for a 700w or 750w to ensure it will power everything.

fire219 wrote:

Another PSU company I would suggest is Thermaltake. They make cheap yet high quality units.

I've just had a quick look on amazon, they're really quite expensive. Like I said to Harakou, is there any one in particular you'd reccomend?

If I have to I'm sure I'll probably leave the SSD out for now. I'm pretty much at my budget as it is already.

Anyway, thanks for all your input- much appreciated so far!

There is not such thing as a good PSU that is very cheap. Thermaltake PSUs are no exception, but they are a bit cheaper than some other quality brands.

My computer (i5-3570, Radeon HD7770, 8GB RAM) runs beautifully on a Thermaltake TR2 600W, that can be had for about $60 (38 pounds) on Amazon. My system doesn't stress it at all (I could probably get away with 500W), so you could probably use it (or similar) no problem.

The one you would get packed in is only half that price..... I would be shocked if it didn't die at half load..... and take your brand new computer with it.


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#17 2013-02-13 17:56:09

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Re: Homemade PC

MrScoop wrote:

technoguyx wrote:

You missed something essential: Some kind of cooling methods for the processor. Fans, heatsinks, water cooling.

I thought the case came with  four fans? Wouldn't that be enough?

Yeah, don't worry about that - boxed CPU's come with a heatsink and fan, so unless you want aftermarket cooling there's no need.

MrScoop wrote:

fire219 wrote:

The AMD CPUs from the last few years have been slow compared to their Intel counterparts, and yet cost just as much and use more power. You would be much better served for about the same price with the this motherboard[/url].

Isn't the AMD CPU I chose the counterpart to the i7? Thats what I thought anyway, I might be wrong.

Well, it's a counterpart in the sense that it's their top-tier processor. In terms of performance... no, sorry. Even Intel's last-generation i7 outperforms the FX-8150 in almost every test.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the- … 150-tested

Here's the thing though: assuming you're just doing typical consumer stuff (ie not doing professional video editing or something), you don't need an i7. The processor you have, or even better an i5, would more than sufficient.

MrScoop wrote:

Harakou wrote:

Finally, and this is the most important: please, for the love of all that is good in this world, do not buy that case. The case itself is probably fine, but what concerns me is the bundled PSU. I consider the PSU one of, if not the most important item in a computer, because if that fails, it can destroy everything else. I highly recommend you buy something from a more reputable manufacturer like Seasonic or Corsair.

I don't exactly have a large budget, but if what you're saying is true, which one would you reccomend? I'm going for a 700w or 750w to ensure it will power everything.

Well, I just recommended one in my post. I understand if that's beyond your price range; I just like recommending it because it's IMO bar-none the best in its class and price range. I would have no qualms using fire219's recommended unit, and I'd also throw in a word for an Antec PSU, which I currently have in my rig. Ultimately, you don't need 750W if you get a good PSU - 600-650W should serve your needs fine.

MrScoop wrote:

If I have to I'm sure I'll probably leave the SSD out for now. I'm pretty much at my budget as it is already.

That's fine; an SSD is a luxury.

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#18 2013-02-14 10:53:17

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Re: Homemade PC

I can't offer much advice here. I just wanted to say that it's awesome you're making your own pc! You can optimize it in many ways, and have the fun putting it together, and I won't even start on the bragging rights. I've always wanted to do this myself, though I've purchased one by now... I'm just saying, it's cool that you're able to do this.  smile


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#19 2013-02-14 11:15:30

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Harakou wrote:

Here's the thing though: assuming you're just doing typical consumer stuff (ie not doing professional video editing or something), you don't need an i7. The processor you have, or even better an i5, would more than sufficient.

Ultimately, you don't need 750W if you get a good PSU - 600-650W should serve your needs fine.

I am using it for gaming, so how is the i5 compared to the AMD I had chosen?
Also, I added up the wattage of a few of the components and it goes way into the 600s- and that isn't even all of them (just the main ones, like graphics card etc), so I'm almost certain I'll need 700w or 750w. Would this one from Corsair be suffice?

PreoKid wrote:

I can't offer much advice here. I just wanted to say that it's awesome you're making your own pc! You can optimize it in many ways, and have the fun putting it together, and I won't even start on the bragging rights. I've always wanted to do this myself, though I've purchased one by now... I'm just saying, it's cool that you're able to do this.  smile

Thankyou! I think there is a profit to be made from it, so I think its a good business to get into. I have thought of teaming up with a couple of friends and selling them online  when I leave school next year.

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#20 2013-02-14 11:30:01

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But I could still use this? It is just the same thing without a PSU (I think). It doesn't have a PSU, but I have this in my amazon basket.

Which is better, the AMD FX 8320 or the AMD FX 8150
The 8150 has a higher RRP but this article suggests the 8320 is actually better. The 8320 is cheaper on amazon so if it's better, all the more reason to get it!

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#21 2013-02-14 12:38:36

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Re: Homemade PC

MrScoop wrote:

But I could still use this? It is just the same thing without a PSU (I think). It doesn't have a PSU, but I have this in my amazon basket.

Yes, you can use that.

MrScoop wrote:

Which is better, the AMD FX 8320 or the AMD FX 8150
The 8150 has a higher RRP but this article suggests the 8320 is actually better. The 8320 is cheaper on amazon so if it's better, all the more reason to get it!

After some Googling, all I've found is that the FX-8150 has a slightly higher performance, and that's the only difference between the two.

During the same Googling, I've also found that Intel processors are generally the way to go, as it's very unlikely that you will actually use all 8 cores of the AMD in a single game - or that this game will manage these cores properly, for that matter. You should look into this yourself, as I'm not a gamer, or experienced with high-end computers at all  tongue


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#22 2013-02-14 13:22:27

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technoguyx wrote:

After some Googling, all I've found is that the FX-8150 has a slightly higher performance, and that's the only difference between the two.

During the same Googling, I've also found that Intel processors are generally the way to go, as it's very unlikely that you will actually use all 8 cores of the AMD in a single game - or that this game will manage these cores properly, for that matter. You should look into this yourself, as I'm not a gamer, or experienced with high-end computers at all  tongue

Originally I was going to get an i7, but it was over £100 more expensive and the motherboard that it fit in was also quite a bit more expensive, so it was way over my budget. In the article all the games were well into 100 fps and even into 200 fps. Hardly any noticeably difference as most games are designed to be played at around 30 fps.
I am looking for budget but powerful gaming as my focus, and the AMD processor seems to be able to do that.

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#23 2013-02-14 13:35:29

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I think I'll go with the 8320. It is over £10 cheaper and looks to be more powerful. I've done a bit of research and everywhere I look the 8320 is more powerful, for some reason. If anyone knows all about processors and can prove me wrong, I'm open to suggestions.

Unless someone can make a better combo with an i5, (at a similar price) which seems to be one of the best on the market from research (mainly this)

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#24 2013-02-15 09:12:59

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Re: Homemade PC

I honestly don't see how you're getting power consumption into the 600's with that setup - that's very high. Could you explain that? I'm not saying you can't get a 750w PSU (that Corsair one is fine btw), just that you really don't need it.  tongue

As for processor, it seems like you've come to the same conclusion that I would say anyway - the i5 is almost unquestionably the best choice when it comes to gaming. It outperforms the anything AMD can throw out and you don't see worthwhile gains with an i7. Personally, I would recommend something like the i5 3470 and this motherboard, trying to stay in that same price bracket.


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#25 2013-02-15 11:35:10

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Re: Homemade PC

Harakou wrote:

I honestly don't see how you're getting power consumption into the 600's with that setup - that's very high. Could you explain that? I'm not saying you can't get a 750w PSU (that Corsair one is fine btw), just that you really don't need it.  tongue

As for processor, it seems like you've come to the same conclusion that I would say anyway - the i5 is almost unquestionably the best choice when it comes to gaming. It outperforms the anything AMD can throw out and you don't see worthwhile gains with an i7. Personally, I would recommend something like the i5 3470 and this motherboard, trying to stay in that same price bracket.

I think I'll stick to the AMD. Although the i5 looks to be better, it totals £650 when my budget is £620 at the absolute maximum.

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