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PonyPokiPanikku wrote:

9star wrote:

hi! i was looking on a council website about pigeons to see how stupid their reasons were about why not to feed pigeons. this is the stupedist. it is discrimination.

"Pigeons are wildlife. They are not domesticated and they are not dependant on us to feed them."


yes. pigeons are wildlife BUT......                                                                                     but what about ducks, songbirds ect. they are wildife to! we are encouraged to feed them. but yet not pigeons.   THIS IS MEAN PEOPLE!
a source that pigeons are not disease carrying birds or another source that pigeons pose a low health risk  but a
little girl caught BUBONIC PLAGUE from a squirrel
I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST SQUIRRELS but this is simply proof that squirrels are more dangerous that pigeons. and pigeons cannot carry fleas so you cannot catch the bubonic plague off them!!! . and oh i almost forgot,
pigeons are not pests!!!

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Are you sure this is worth discussing?

both sources are biased

9star wrote:

calebxy wrote:

9star wrote:

cats naturally hunt them. the ancestors of our cats [the wildcats] have been killing them for thousands of years so really it's fine where poison/traps haven't been around for that long.                                                                                      and dogs generally just scare them away.

Yes, but killing them by traps is more humane, since it's a much quicker and more sudden death than being chased, attacked and killed by a cat.

killing something isn't humane at all, its just not possible.

Now that you bring it up
I had to write a paper on this at school
What is your opinion experimenting medicine on animals?

9star wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

9star wrote:

killing something isn't humane at all, its just not possible.

Now that you bring it up
I had to write a paper on this at school
What is your opinion experimenting medicine on animals?

Absolutely disgusting.the things they do to those animals is horrible.
it doesn't even have a point because animals react differently to things so they can't really even get a clear idea. PLUS, a lot of these diseases animals can't even get.

they make a point to choose animals that they know react to medicine in similar ways to humans and that they know can catch certain diseases

9star wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

9star wrote:

killing something isn't humane at all, its just not possible.

Now that you bring it up
I had to write a paper on this at school
What is your opinion experimenting medicine on animals?

Absolutely disgusting.the things they do to those animals is horrible.
it doesn't even have a point because animals react differently to things so they can't really even get a clear idea. PLUS, a lot of these diseases animals can't even get.

So, would you rather test unsafe but potentially life-saving medicine on a human, or an animal?

There is just no viable alternative.

koilmasta wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

9star wrote:

Absolutely disgusting.the things they do to those animals is horrible.
it doesn't even have a point because animals react differently to things so they can't really even get a clear idea. PLUS, a lot of these diseases animals can't even get.

So, would you rather test unsafe but potentially life-saving medicine on a human, or an animal?

There is just no viable alternative.

Artlady's view on animal testing is "better them than us". My view is plain and simple: Humans are smarter. Same reason why we eat barnyard animals (pigs, cows, etc.), but not dogs/cats. (also because we domesticated barnyard animals for mainly food so...)

the average pig is smarter than your average dog and cleaner, if you give them a large enough pen
the double standard for not eating dogs is pretty weird

luiysia wrote:

koilmasta wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

So, would you rather test unsafe but potentially life-saving medicine on a human, or an animal?

There is just no viable alternative.

Artlady's view on animal testing is "better them than us". My view is plain and simple: Humans are smarter. Same reason why we eat barnyard animals (pigs, cows, etc.), but not dogs/cats. (also because we domesticated barnyard animals for mainly food so...)

the average pig is smarter than your average dog and cleaner, if you give them a large enough pen
the double standard for not eating dogs is pretty weird

i think it's because dogs can (kinda) hunt and current pigs cant really
and pig's will eat anything which makes them cheap to rear but dog's are just carnivores of opportunity (i think thats the correct phrase)
so yeah that's it going back long enough
now it's just YE SHALL NOT DEFY SOCIETAL NORMS

jukyter wrote:

luiysia wrote:

koilmasta wrote:

Artlady's view on animal testing is "better them than us". My view is plain and simple: Humans are smarter. Same reason why we eat barnyard animals (pigs, cows, etc.), but not dogs/cats. (also because we domesticated barnyard animals for mainly food so...)

the average pig is smarter than your average dog and cleaner, if you give them a large enough pen
the double standard for not eating dogs is pretty weird

i think it's because dogs can (kinda) hunt and current pigs cant really
and pig's will eat anything which makes them cheap to rear but dog's are just carnivores of opportunity (i think thats the correct phrase)
so yeah that's it going back long enough
now it's just YE SHALL NOT DEFY SOCIETAL NORMS

However, in some other countries, they do eat dogs.

TheCatAndTheBanana wrote:

9star wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

Now that you bring it up
I had to write a paper on this at school
What is your opinion experimenting medicine on animals?

Absolutely disgusting.the things they do to those animals is horrible.
it doesn't even have a point because animals react differently to things so they can't really even get a clear idea. PLUS, a lot of these diseases animals can't even get.

Would you deny a life-saving drug because it was tested on rats?

i would use alternative medicine, such as homeopathic remedies. they don't taste of anything (unlike most medicines that taste absolutely VILE) and once i had a horrible re-occuring cough and i took homeopathic medicine and it went away and never came back. and the chances of cathching something life-threatening are very low, especially if you're vegan.

soupoftomato wrote:

jukyter wrote:

luiysia wrote:

the average pig is smarter than your average dog and cleaner, if you give them a large enough pen
the double standard for not eating dogs is pretty weird

i think it's because dogs can (kinda) hunt and current pigs cant really
and pig's will eat anything which makes them cheap to rear but dog's are just carnivores of opportunity (i think thats the correct phrase)
so yeah that's it going back long enough
now it's just YE SHALL NOT DEFY SOCIETAL NORMS

I really don't care

I mean, dogs are cool so I won't eat em
Bacon probably tastes better than any part of a dog

i'm not saying you should eat dog, i'm saying that it is wrong to eat ANY animal

koilmasta wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

9star wrote:

Absolutely disgusting.the things they do to those animals is horrible.
it doesn't even have a point because animals react differently to things so they can't really even get a clear idea. PLUS, a lot of these diseases animals can't even get.

So, would you rather test unsafe but potentially life-saving medicine on a human, or an animal?

There is just no viable alternative.

Artlady's view on animal testing is "better them than us". My view is plain and simple: Humans are smarter. Same reason why we eat barnyard animals (pigs, cows, etc.), but not dogs/cats. (also because we domesticated barnyard animals for mainly food so...)

most of those "barnyard" animals are actually "caged" animals. most animals you eat are actually battery farmed and even if they're not they still are treated horribly.

9star wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

jukyter wrote:

i think it's because dogs can (kinda) hunt and current pigs cant really
and pig's will eat anything which makes them cheap to rear but dog's are just carnivores of opportunity (i think thats the correct phrase)
so yeah that's it going back long enough
now it's just YE SHALL NOT DEFY SOCIETAL NORMS

I really don't care

I mean, dogs are cool so I won't eat em
Bacon probably tastes better than any part of a dog

i'm not saying you should eat dog, i'm saying that it is wrong to eat ANY animal

first of all nobody said you were and second of all for some people a vegan diet isnt an option
i know one guy who has a problem called crohn's disease and he had to get like 2 feet of his intestine removed one time because he cant properly digest most fruits and vegetables

9star wrote:

777w wrote:

9star wrote:

homeopathic remedies.

wikipedia's not the best source but the article on homeopathy says "Scientific research has found homeopathic remedies ineffective and their postulated mechanisms of action implausible"

well, they worked really well for me. scientists say that but they do work really, scientists just HATE admitting they're wrong.

im sure that's the case
im sure they work with small things but the problem is... some people only like to use verified cures! shock & horror i know
now would you like telling a cancer patient how with some ~*~miracle cure~*~ they can get rid of the cancer that will kill them?
would you mind telling me which miracle cure will take the pain i have to deal with every day?

Last edited by jukyter (2013-02-10 07:16:37)

9star wrote:

777w wrote:

9star wrote:

homeopathic remedies.

wikipedia's not the best source but the article on homeopathy says "Scientific research has found homeopathic remedies ineffective and their postulated mechanisms of action implausible"

well, they worked really well for me. scientists say that but they do work really, scientists just HATE admitting they're wrong.

what are you talking about
nobody likes to admit theyre wrong but scientists have the data to show when theyre right
frankly the whole thing sounds rather dangerous to me i mean

Homeopathy... is a system of alternative medicine originated in 1796 by Samuel Hahnemann, based on his doctrine of similia similibus curentur ("like cures like"), according to which a substance that causes the symptoms of a disease in healthy people will cure similar symptoms in sick people.

using the substance that makes you sick to cure you will, by logic, just make you sicker!
the only time that really works that i know of is when you treat cancer with radiation, but even then that just kills cancerous cells and, from what i hear, leaves you very weak

Last edited by 777w (2013-02-10 07:50:05)