Scratch

When an app says "17+" it really depends on the context.
If it's just an internet browser, it should be okay as you used one to post that.

Mobile Safari, the one that comes installed with your iDevice, is actually 17+ because it can have adult content, but mostly isn't used for that. So if everyone followed the 17+ app rule, then anyone under 17 shouldn't be allowed to own iPods, iPhones, iPads, or any computer with internet access.

So if you're worried just have your parent review the app or something.
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I think there are several (main) reasons for using Flash:
1. They started several years ago, when Flash was more popular.
2. It's better than Java running Scratch, even though maybe not the best.
3. It's fairly universal on computers.

And also, I'm fairly sure the Scratch Team would love to have Scratch on all devices possible, but apps cannot just be "poofed" up wherever you want.
They actually have to develop them, so "broadening their scope" is not as easy as it seems, especially not for every single device. They'd have to REPROGRAM the entire program of Scratch, every single block, the interface, etc. Besides the fact that Apple doesn't allow apps to run code downloaded from an external site, but perhaps they can work things out later.

I'm also pretty sure if the Scratch Team had a "Flash to whatever language you want" converter, they'd use it for like HTML5 or something. But they don't. And so they have to recode it in HTML5 when 2.0 is released. I think that's their plans. I read Lightnin's post somewhere. I think.

soniku3 wrote:

get the rid of flash? dream. dont you have free time

bertdog wrote:

My thought is that you can learn to make apps for any device. Come on. Broaden your scope!

You go make your own block-based programming language in HTML5, then.    Because anyone can create and maintain such an huge project like Scratch, right?

It doesn't work like that.

While an HTML5 player would be the ideal way to go, given that Apple has single-handly killed the use of Flash in mobile devices, you gotta consider that the Scratch team cannot simply magically convert Scratch 2.0, a version that hasn't even been officially released yet, to another entirely different platform.

Scratch 2.0 took about 3 years to develop - we've been waiting for it since it was announced, few months after the release of Scratch 1.4 if I remember correctly. Scratch is a free, non-commercial project by the Lifelong Kindergarten Group at MIT - they rely in donations (in money or not) and volunteer work (the Scratch Team is mostly made of MIT students and professors) to keep providing this service to everyone.

While a major IT company could just hire some specialized developers to take on such a drastical change as reprogramming Scratch in HTML5, the Lifelong Kindergarten Group can't.

In short: Yes, it would be nice, but the Scratch Team simply doesn't have the time or resources to pull this off.

There are also projects such as "Snap!" (formerly BYOB), a remix of Scratch whose upcoming release is being written in HTML5 (I believe)

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(side note: it is still possible to run Flash in Android (because Apple ftl), though I don't know how well it'd run Scratch 2.0.)

Last edited by technoguyx (2013-02-06 09:16:32)

mythbusteranimator wrote:

Yeah, ST does not have time to work on a HUGE project like an HTML5 block language. You could see what it would take and try it, but you would NOT get far.

It's quite possible that he could get far, especially if he based it on existing things like sb2.js or MathWizz's thing.

And the Scratch Team have announced that they'll work on an HTML5 player/editor, sometime after Scratch 2.0 is released. So it'll be a while, but it will likely happen.

soniku3 wrote:

get the [extra word; should be removed] rid of flash? dream. [That doesn't make sense. Do you, perhaps, mean, "dream on"?] don[']t you have free time(?) [Punctuate, please.]

You know what I see? I see that the one talking about others having free time (you) doesn't consider it worth their own time to
1) Capitalize words.
2) Utilize correct grammar.
3) Research the proper usage of colloquial phrases/expressions used in the post.
4) Punctuate.

On an actually relevant matter, he has siblings, you know, so he can't spend all his free time on the computer for the reasons listed in his post. Scratch programming takes time. Lots of time.

Last edited by lalala3 (2013-02-06 23:00:09)

veggieman001 wrote:

lalala3 wrote:

he has siblings, you know

How would we know this?

Well...

bertdog wrote:

2. Brothers on scratch

Behold.

veggieman001 wrote:

Also, don't criticise soniku3 too harshly on how he writes—English is not his first language, IIRC.

1. Well, my bad. I tend to expect that, when people don't bother capitalizing and punctuating, that the language they are using is their first language. Which is, if you think about it, not all that unreasonable.
2. It's still just as bad, given what I put in #1.

Last edited by lalala3 (2013-02-06 23:14:46)

lalala3 wrote:

soniku3 wrote:

get the [extra word; should be removed] rid of flash? dream. [That doesn't make sense. Do you, perhaps, mean, "dream on"?] don[']t you have free time(?) [Punctuate, please.]

You know what I see? I see that the one talking about others having free time (you) doesn't consider it worth their own time to
1) Capitalize words.
2) Utilize correct grammar.
3) Research the proper usage of colloquial phrases/expressions used in the post.
4) Punctuate.

On an actually relevant matter, he has siblings, you know, so he can't spend all his free time on the computer for the reasons listed in his post. Scratch programming takes time. Lots of time.

Soniku3 is Dutch.
And I don't know why having siblings would affect free time...

Last edited by Mokat (2013-02-07 08:01:54)

lalala3 wrote:

On an actually relevant matter, he has siblings, you know, so he can't spend all his free time on the computer for the reasons listed in his post. Scratch programming takes time. Lots of time.

I don't see how would an iOS app help him - even with that, he still has to take care of his siblings (if this is the reason he has less time) and study at, and for school. Programming, like any other long-term work such as writing and recording music, or drawing and processing said drawings, also take time.

If you ain't got free time for any of these activities, there's not much you can do about it, except organizing the little free time you got, to be as productive as possible.

lalala3 wrote:

soniku3 wrote:

get the [extra word; should be removed] rid of flash? dream. [That doesn't make sense. Do you, perhaps, mean, "dream on"?] don[']t you have free time(?) [Punctuate, please.]

You know what I see? I see that the one talking about others having free time (you) doesn't consider it worth their own time to
1) Capitalize words.
2) Utilize correct grammar.
3) Research the proper usage of colloquial phrases/expressions used in the post.
4) Punctuate.

maybe you could be less of a jerk 
just a thought

CheeseMunchy wrote:

jukyter wrote:

lalala3 wrote:

You know what I see? I see that the one talking about others having free time (you) doesn't consider it worth their own time to
1) Capitalize words.
2) Utilize correct grammar.
3) Research the proper usage of colloquial phrases/expressions used in the post.
4) Punctuate.

maybe you could be less of a jerk 
just a thought

Grammar nazi? Yes. 
Jerk? Nah.

lalala3 wrote:

Mokat wrote:

lalala3 wrote:

You know what I see? I see that the one talking about others having free time (you) doesn't consider it worth their own time to
1) Capitalize words.
2) Utilize correct grammar.
3) Research the proper usage of colloquial phrases/expressions used in the post.
4) Punctuate.

On an actually relevant matter, he has siblings, you know, so he can't spend all his free time on the computer for the reasons listed in his post. Scratch programming takes time. Lottime.

Soniku3 is Dutch.s of
And I don't know why having siblings would affect free time...

That does not explain the capitalization or punctuation.

Uhh, I don't see how it doesn't.
You don't need to learn proper capitalization or punctuation to speak most of English.

lalala3 wrote:

CheeseMunchy wrote:

lalala3 wrote:

That does not explain the capitalization or punctuation.

Uhh, I don't see how it doesn't.
You don't need to learn proper capitalization or punctuation to speak most of English.

The rule about capitalizing words at the beginning of sentences also applies in Dutch, Q.E.D.

um... but just cause you speak English doesn't mean you automatically capitalize words. most people don't and as long as sentences are separated it shouldn't matter. in fact, capital letters should be removed. they're useless...

especially in German where you have to capitalize every noun.