Scratch

JakieMcCool wrote:

Scratch is intended for young childeren so what do you expect?

I admit it- this stuff frustrates me a little. HOWEVER! I was once a noob on Scratch, though pretty much all my junk projects are cleared away. Notice my projects rise in quality as they go on. Mostly. And I really enjoy making games and sharing them, but if you look, there are plenty of hard- worked on, good projects out there that aren't games. Take animations, for instance, or a new script combo like my "List Ordering Tool" project.

I'm a little against putting up unfinished projects myself. It's annoying how some Scratchers feel they have to upload EVERYTHING. New Scratchers I understand. But, it's not really my choice, so I'll just move on and not be a hater. Please work a little more on your projects, people!

One more thing, coloring contests annoy me a bit, too. But really, they go away after a while and stop being such a big deal. So, I ignore them.

I admit I'm not at the level I want to be at Scratch yet. I am continually working toward deserving the front page. Many Scratchers are, too. Just give everybody a chance, and it'll all be fine.

Scratch on!

Failord wrote:

Mokat wrote:

JakieMcCool wrote:

Scratch is intended for young childeren so what do you expect?

Not quite ALL young children. But it is kid-friendly. There are plenty of older people who use it, too.

Yeah. In the stats, theres some people over 80!

mintfang wrote:

Failord wrote:

Mokat wrote:

Not quite ALL young children. But it is kid-friendly. There are plenty of older people who use it, too.

Yeah. In the stats, theres some people over 80!

Most people put in a fake age, y'know. 

Yeah, probably only like 1% of the people taht are 80 years or older... (I put in the oldest date that was even on the chart, and I'm only 11  )

You can't demote people because they are young or beginning programmers. After reading this post, I went and viewed your projects, and I think you should start making yourself one of those 1% of people you're talking about before criticizing the purpose of a website.

I agree with paddle2see to a certain level. I'm not impressed with the pointless projects that manage to get there way to the front page, but I'm not against making, eh, I guess you would call them pathetic projects. At least not by newcomers. Now, there are endless leagues of newcomers and they will make these pathetic projects, but we shouldn't discourage them from doing this at the beginning.

However, the front page is a big joke for the most part, because basically the only place a good project can get a breath of fresh air is in the curated section. Even then not always because sometimes the curator is one of "them".

We could probably replace "most remixed" with "quality projects". In quality projects, pure art projects and stuff like that won't be allowed. This way, only the good ones will get in and not the garbage.

Last edited by bullelk12 (2013-01-24 15:43:12)

lalala3 wrote:

mintfang wrote:

Failord wrote:

Not quite ALL young children. But it is kid-friendly. There are plenty of older people who use it, too.

Yeah. In the stats, theres some people over 80!

*enters into calculator*

That makes about 7.156946*10^118, which is more years than humanity's been around. I am reluctant to believe that somebody entered in something that high.

Edit: Forget humanity, that's more years than the universe has been around.

lol

Wes64 wrote:

bullelk12 wrote:

I agree with paddle2see to a certain level. I'm not impressed with the pointless projects that manage to get there way to the front page, but I'm not against making, eh, I guess you would call them pathetic projects. At least not by newcomers. Now, there are endless leagues of newcomers and they will make these pathetic projects, but we shouldn't discourage them from doing this at the beginning.

However, the front page is a big joke for the most part, because basically the only place a good project can get a breath of fresh air is in the curated section. Even then not always because sometimes the curator is one of "them".

We could probably replace "most remixed" with "quality projects". In quality projects, pure art projects and stuff like that won't be allowed. This way, only the good ones will get in and not the garbage.

why exactly do you insist that the front page conform to your standards of quality? the website does not revolve around you. things the community likes get on the front page, and if you happen to dislike the selection then don't look at it.

you're going to have to deal with us "pathetic" people, you're going to have to deal with our garbage and sewage that we so heinously taint your vision of the front page with, otherwise you can go.

It revolves around the community, and the community likes art.  I'm torn:  it should show the community, but Scratch was made for programming, not art.

This seems to be causing a lot of controversy. I think it's best if we close it 

dont_click_here wrote:

Scratch is supposed to encourage people to be programmers, right?

wrong.

Paddle2See wrote:

The MIT Media Lab, that created Scratch, is interested in enabling digital creativity in ALL forms - not just programming.  The fact that art with music (and without it) has become so popular is an interesting aspect of the Scratch project that, while unexpected, is certainly welcome.

bullelk12 wrote:

I agree with paddle2see to a certain level. I'm not impressed with the pointless projects that manage to get there way to the front page, but I'm not against making, eh, I guess you would call them pathetic projects. At least not by newcomers. Now, there are endless leagues of newcomers and they will make these pathetic projects, but we shouldn't discourage them from doing this at the beginning.

However, the front page is a big joke for the most part, because basically the only place a good project can get a breath of fresh air is in the curated section. Even then not always because sometimes the curator is one of "them".

We could probably replace "most remixed" with "quality projects". In quality projects, pure art projects and stuff like that won't be allowed. This way, only the good ones will get in and not the garbage.

EXACTLY.

Ugh2460 wrote:

Shadowed1 wrote:

I can't go 2 seconds without seeing another completely useless project. I mean, most projects that are on the front page at the moment are minecraft videos, colouring competitions (hint: you click the fill button) and rushed, sloppy projects.

Scratch is supposed to be about making GAMES and PUTTING HARD WORK INTO THEM so they get appreciated. So few people now are making quality games (in comparison to the number of people that are making utterly useless projects) that I feel seriously demotivated about working on another project.

Scratch's motto is "imagine, program, share". If you're planning on making a half-decent project, you have to IMAGINE the idea and put at least a few scripts in it i.e. PROGRAMMING. To imagine something it has to be ORIGINAL. I swear, there are at least 50,000 projects that are colouring in competitions.

Actually, the projects on the front page at the moment are slightly better compared to what I usually see, but nonetheless still filled with useless junk. But seriously, if you are going to post a project, at least put a reasonable amount of time into it and be different from the norm.

To fix this, curators have to choose projects that are QUALITY projects, not some half-baked project from some random out there. If you get front paged, you should have to WORK FOR IT.

Also, if you are posting a project to be featured: 1. Check that that project is not made by yourself and 2. Check that the project is WORTH FEATURING. And if you are the moderator featuring the project, check the project before you feature it.

On a side note: GET RID OF THE TOP REMIXED LINE ON THE FRONT PAGE. IT IS COMPLETELY WORTHLESS AND NOT BEING USED FOR THE INTENTION IT WAS BEING USED FOR I.E. PROJECTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTIVE.

In conclusion, Scratch is now a horrible mess. I can't believe that the 1% of people who post constructive and fun projects are being overridden by the 99% of people who don't have the patience to work on the project before they share it. I'm not saying that everyone is lazy but if you are too lazy to care about the projects you post, then you should either start using Scratch for the purpose it was intended for or you should quit the site. Not kidding.

~Shadowed1

I completely agree with this post. You, sir, deserve a gold medal.

I know you aren't talking about new scratchers, because we all were new scratchers at one point right? I like complimenting those scratchers. But rather, you are talking about so-called artists. And for all of you who disagree with this guy, Scratch is a programming language, so why not use it to PROGRAM? A light-bulb should've went off over your head by now.

Scratch 1.4 has a paint editor only slightly better than MS Paint, so why do people insist on using for the purpose of posting art? There's deviantart, and there's a site called Weebly for making your own free websites and blogs so you can upload that stuff if you think deviantart has a bad community. (because really, it does)

And since you posted this topic, the Front Page has been DOMINATED by projects anyone with a 'how to draw cats' book can do in 10 minutes. Whatever happened to the great animations and Flash-esque games of old? Don't any of you reading this MISS that Golden Age where everyone was inspired to put effort into their projects? Apparently, no one does, because absolutely nothing improved since the day this topic was posted.

Scratch is not an art program, Scratch is a programming language. So please start treating it like one.

This is an opinion. Whether you believe it or not, it's up to you.

Paddle2See wrote:

The MIT Media Lab, that created Scratch, is interested in enabling digital creativity in ALL forms - not just programming.  The fact that art with music (and without it) has become so popular is an interesting aspect of the Scratch project that, while unexpected, is certainly welcome. (Source)