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Mazdafreak wrote:

Personally, I believe the manual transmission is under-rated. Nobody seems to know how to drive one, and if it wasn't for the manual there would not be automatics today.

Haha this

automatic transmission is for babies

Sausagefanclub wrote:

I think real music is underrated; everyone's into rap with foul language in it nowadays. 

YES! BECAUSE FOUL LANGUAGE REMOVES ALL ARTISTIC CREDIBILITY!

FOR EXAMPLE, NAS IS A FANTASTIC RAPPER WHO CAN TELL AMAZING STORIES WITH INCREDIBLE FLOW BUT HE USED THE BAD POTTY MOUTH WORDS! AND IT OFFENDS ME!

SAME GOES FOR MOVIES! ALL MOVIES THAT HAVE FOUL LANGUAGE ARE EVIL, AND NOT REAL MOVIES! THE GODFATHER USED THE BAD POTTY MOUTH WORDS. NEVERMIND THAT IT'S ONE OF THE GREATEST AND MOST ICONIC FILMS OF ALL-TIME, IT USED BAD LANGUAGE! THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE!

Although, in all seriousness how is "real music" (if you're going to be snobby enough to call it that" underrated, if half the people are agreeing with you like "Yep the hippity hop sucks derp."

I think The Hudsucker Proxy was pretty underrated by critics when it came out. There's also a lot of lowbrow comedies I like that aren't very respected in the film community (Austin Powers 2, Zoolander, Ace Ventura, Dodgeball).

banana500 wrote:

Why has no one heard of Home Movies? D:

Me has. I never watched it though.

calebxy wrote:

sanddude wrote:

Sausagefanclub wrote:

I think real music is underrated; everyone's into rap with foul language in it nowadays. 

YES! BECAUSE FOUL LANGUAGE REMOVES ALL ARTISTIC CREDIBILITY!

FOR EXAMPLE, NAS IS A FANTASTIC RAPPER WHO CAN TELL AMAZING STORIES WITH INCREDIBLE FLOW BUT HE USED THE BAD POTTY MOUTH WORDS! AND IT OFFENDS ME!

SAME GOES FOR MOVIES! ALL MOVIES THAT HAVE FOUL LANGUAGE ARE EVIL, AND NOT REAL MOVIES! THE GODFATHER USED THE BAD POTTY MOUTH WORDS. NEVERMIND THAT IT'S ONE OF THE GREATEST AND MOST ICONIC FILMS OF ALL-TIME, IT USED BAD LANGUAGE! THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE!

Although, in all seriousness how is "real music" (if you're going to be snobby enough to call it that" underrated, if half the people are agreeing with you like "Yep the hippity hop sucks derp."

You summed it up perfectly right there in your own post.

You could have explained your point in a nice, calm, non-sarcastic and civilised way. But instead you decided to make your point using insults (calling him snobby) and being overly sarcastic (goes without saying). And obviously, insulting someone and being overly sarcastic are bad. They aren't nice, and are, of course, very frowned upon by the majority of people.

Similarly, a song could choose to express its emotions and feelings using nice, non-offensive words. But it may instead choose to express those feelings through swear words, which many people find offensive and severely dislike hearing. Disliking a song because it has lots of swear words in it is a perfectly valid reason. And most songs that have swear words in them are rap, which is considered to be awful by myself and evidently Sausagefanclub (who's opinion completely matters due to the nature of this discussion).

And on the subject of rap, because I know you'll object, the amount of skill involved (which you bring up so often when mentioning it) has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's a very simple matter of people (myself included) thinking it's just an awful form of singing and conveying emotions. I despise listening to rap, and it's got nothing to do with how much effort it took.

Also, whether you agree it's better or not, conventional songs - the type Sausagefanclub was talking about - have much more of a claim to being called "real" music than rap, because of the very fact that they are the traditional style.

1. rap isn't singing
2. it's a type of music
it was formed by slaves and faced a revival in the '70s within the black community
in the '80s it became popular within the white community
pray tell, what kind of music do you like? because i can gurantee that rap is as traditional as that

You know , Ph- nevermind.

Mokat wrote:

Sausagefanclub wrote:

I think real music is underrated; everyone's into rap with foul language in it nowadays. 

+1

+2

jukyter wrote:

calebxy wrote:

sanddude wrote:

YES! BECAUSE FOUL LANGUAGE REMOVES ALL ARTISTIC CREDIBILITY!

FOR EXAMPLE, NAS IS A FANTASTIC RAPPER WHO CAN TELL AMAZING STORIES WITH INCREDIBLE FLOW BUT HE USED THE BAD POTTY MOUTH WORDS! AND IT OFFENDS ME!

SAME GOES FOR MOVIES! ALL MOVIES THAT HAVE FOUL LANGUAGE ARE EVIL, AND NOT REAL MOVIES! THE GODFATHER USED THE BAD POTTY MOUTH WORDS. NEVERMIND THAT IT'S ONE OF THE GREATEST AND MOST ICONIC FILMS OF ALL-TIME, IT USED BAD LANGUAGE! THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE!

Although, in all seriousness how is "real music" (if you're going to be snobby enough to call it that" underrated, if half the people are agreeing with you like "Yep the hippity hop sucks derp."

You summed it up perfectly right there in your own post.

You could have explained your point in a nice, calm, non-sarcastic and civilised way. But instead you decided to make your point using insults (calling him snobby) and being overly sarcastic (goes without saying). And obviously, insulting someone and being overly sarcastic are bad. They aren't nice, and are, of course, very frowned upon by the majority of people.

Similarly, a song could choose to express its emotions and feelings using nice, non-offensive words. But it may instead choose to express those feelings through swear words, which many people find offensive and severely dislike hearing. Disliking a song because it has lots of swear words in it is a perfectly valid reason. And most songs that have swear words in them are rap, which is considered to be awful by myself and evidently Sausagefanclub (who's opinion completely matters due to the nature of this discussion).

And on the subject of rap, because I know you'll object, the amount of skill involved (which you bring up so often when mentioning it) has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's a very simple matter of people (myself included) thinking it's just an awful form of singing and conveying emotions. I despise listening to rap, and it's got nothing to do with how much effort it took.

Also, whether you agree it's better or not, conventional songs - the type Sausagefanclub was talking about - have much more of a claim to being called "real" music than rap, because of the very fact that they are the traditional style.

1. rap isn't singing
2. it's a type of music
it was formed by slaves and faced a revival in the '70s within the black community
in the '80s it became popular within the white community
pray tell, what kind of music do you like? because i can gurantee that rap is as traditional as that

also in america the top genre is rock and in the world it's pop
so yeah hardly anyone's listening to rap people like you just create an echo chamber where you complain about those dagnabbit young people and they choice of music! it's not like it was in the old days!

sanddude wrote:

With the exception of slurs, I don't understand why anybody would be offended by profanity. It's only offensive because we make it. 

And like veggie said, a lot of the time swear words can be more visceral or impactful therefore more effective at conveying the emotions of what the musician(s) are trying to say. For example, how would "Surfacing" by Slipknot sound without swear words:

Fudge it all! Fudge this world!
Fudge everything that you stand for!
Don't belong! Don't exist!
Don't give a poo! Don't ever judge me!
And don't you fudgin' judge me

See? It just doesn't work. Using swear words doesn't indicate bad songwriting (although overuse, a la Green Day's new albums does); in fact I think using them well indicates quite the opposite and can often enhance a personality in the music.

(I think that song would fall under the category of overuse)

sanddude wrote:

With the exception of slurs, I don't understand why anybody would be offended by profanity. It's only offensive because we make it. 

And like veggie said, a lot of the time swear words can be more visceral or impactful therefore more effective at conveying the emotions of what the musician(s) are trying to say. For example, how would "Surfacing" by Slipknot sound without swear words:

Fudge it all! Fudge this world!
Fudge everything that you stand for!
Don't belong! Don't exist!
Don't give a poo! Don't ever judge me!
And don't you fudgin' judge me

See? It just doesn't work. Using swear words doesn't indicate bad songwriting (although overuse, a la Green Day's new albums does); in fact I think using them well indicates quite the opposite and can often enhance a personality in the music.

And again, do we apply the same logic to literature and film? Life of Brian is arguably the greatest  comedy of all time. It has swear words. It doesn't matter because it's a fantastic film. If you're too overly sensitive to handle swear words, then you are going to miss out on some of the greatest experiences in art of all forms.

It's offensive because people add them just to swear. And also, the usage of swear words would imply poorly written music. Well, at least my definition of it. The presence of lyrics implies what I define as poorly written music--repetitive, reduced focus on the actual notes, et cetera, et cetera.

Last edited by lalala3 (2013-01-06 20:53:59)

veggieman001 wrote:

lalala3 wrote:

It's offensive because people add them just to swear.

But the point is that that's not always the case.

Why would someone add swear words for any other reason? For that reason, why would someone do it at all in a song?

sanddude wrote:

It's only offensive because we make it. 

When I heard what the f-word actually meant, I was disgusted...

veggieman001 wrote:

Yes, artists can choose to express their emotions by using clean language sometimes, but I believe that sometimes it just can't get the point across enough; if you hear profanity in a song, aren't you more likely to pay attention and have some sort of reaction to that? In this society, obscenity may be used to effectively express intense anger, frustration, and other feelings the artist may want to stir up in the listener, and people will understand that..

There was a time.
Then it all went wrong...
--Fantine from the Les Miserables musical

Counterexample to first highlighted part and response to second beautifully interwoven in a single quote. Bravo, Les Mis, bravo.

ImagineIt wrote:

lalala3 wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

But the point is that that's not always the case.

Why would someone add swear words for any other reason? For that reason, why would someone do it at all in a song?

Songs only? What about real life? Oh my goodness. I hear those annoying words everywhere I go, and if I had the choice to have any superpower I wanted, the ability for all of those word to be muted or blocked out would have some serious consideration.

I understand, but compromises must be made.

Last edited by lalala3 (2013-01-06 21:22:12)