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no no this is a good demonstration of proof against the hivemind

Firedrake969 wrote:

So the signature one doesn't get off topic.  Discuss.  It's a rather interesting concept, actually.  Wikipedia is an example.

EDIT:  If you have a strong opinion, please back it up with strong evidence

Interesting topic or not...the forum section is for discussing things you are reading or playing - not for any random topic that crosses your mind (that was the Miscellaneous forum - now closed).  So let's hear what book or game you are playing that has the Hivemind concept in it.

Paddle2See wrote:

Firedrake969 wrote:

So the signature one doesn't get off topic.  Discuss.  It's a rather interesting concept, actually.  Wikipedia is an example.

EDIT:  If you have a strong opinion, please back it up with strong evidence

Interesting topic or not...the forum section is for discussing things you are reading or playing - not for any random topic that crosses your mind (that was the Miscellaneous forum - now closed).  So let's hear what book or game you are playing that has the Hivemind concept in it.

Ok, assuming websites count?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=you-have-a-hive-mind
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_consciousness
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swarm_intelligence
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeanne-ball/collective-consciousness-meditation_b_822288.html
http://csmt.uchicago.edu/glossary2004/collectiveconsciousness.htm

And biology books about the brain.

There's a Nova show I watched about how animals think, and it had about 20 min about collective consciousnesses, but it was on my mom's iPhone, so I'm finding the link.
Ah-HA!  Swarm intelligence.

Not in answer, but in discussion, neurons behave the same way as bees!  If we are a hivemind, we are a hivemind of hiveminds.

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Also doesn't Ender's Game have the concept of a hive mind within the Formics (insectoid aliens).?

777w wrote:

banana500 wrote:

Also doesn't Ender's Game have the concept of a hive mind within the Formics (insectoid aliens).?

way ahead of you buddy

Darn. :P

But yes, it does.

It's pretty indepthly described in the third book, Xenocide. The author calls it "philotically" rather than "telepathy". Philotic energy allow for instantaneous faster than light communication, and these "rays" are all intertwined and interlinked to form some sort of web, where it is networked to a communications technology and sort of web server called the Ansible.

At least this is the way the humans in the books harnessed the technology from the Formics, who did have a queen when literally did command them. No, the Formics were simply extensions of the Hive Queen's body. So technically, they are the Queen.

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Firedrake969 wrote:

If we are a hivemind, we are not a perfect one.  Bees and ants don't kill each other for no reason.  Humans do.

yes they do

you didn't answer the question

hivemind wrote:

the internet is a hivemind

Anyone want to meet up, march into technophobes' houses, and say 'You will be assimilated.'?

how is that rude

banana500 wrote:

777w wrote:

banana500 wrote:

Also doesn't Ender's Game have the concept of a hive mind within the Formics (insectoid aliens).?

way ahead of you buddy

Darn. 

But yes, it does.

It's pretty indepthly described in the third book, Xenocide. The author calls it "philotically" rather than "telepathy". Philotic energy allow for instantaneous faster than light communication, and these "rays" are all intertwined and interlinked to form some sort of web, where it is networked to a communications technology and sort of web server called the Ansible.

At least this is the way the humans in the books harnessed the technology from the Formics, who did have a queen when literally did command them. No, the Formics were simply extensions of the Hive Queen's body. So technically, they are the Queen.

I only got to "Xenocide", but it seemed as if OSC was trying to prove that the universe was a hive mind by pointing out the "philotic" communication, then made "Jane", a philotic being, to represent a hive mind being an individual as well as a sum of individuals.  Of course, at this point, they discuss Jane's death, which seems to attempt to prove that a hivemind collective can be deassimilated into individuals in some way.  I'm assuming that OSC goes on to show what happens to those individuals that have been separated from the group.

Oh, and fun fact: MONKEYS have exhibited hive mind behavior over thousands of miles.

Scientific American.  Well, technically, it was a collective conscious behavior, but it did happen.  Sorry for not posting the source earlier.  My bad.