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XenoK · 2012-11-30 15:46:23

soniku3 wrote:
Flash is sorta the new Java only better [/justkiddingornot:D]

technoguyx · 2012-12-01 16:32:58

Flash is slow and uses a ridicolous amount of memory.

HTML5 is the new Flash (is the new Java? wat.)

heat33330 · 2012-12-01 18:14:21

soniku3 wrote:
Flash is sorta the new Java only better [/justkiddingornot:D]

Is there something wrong with you!?

I cannot WAIT 'til flash is DEAD AND BURIED! It is slow, cluttered, unefficient and can slow things down to a crawl depending on your hardware. Have you ever tried to run it on on a PowerPC or Intel mac? [removed by moderator] it's sloooooooow.

Adobe isn't even trying anymore they know it's that bad and is going to die soon.

They've dropped support from linux.

HTML5 and Java can run on WAY more devices and is faster too - especially on older/slower PCs - look at PowerPC macs as an example(Yes I like them and they are still great, useful and are still quite fast today if you get 1.25GHz or more G4) HTML5 runs great and Java doesn't run too bad either! Then look at Flash compared to them, you'd think the computer was a [removed by moderator - please use respectful language] from the early nineties(probably not a [removed by moderator] then but slow now unless you get something from the late nineties - the higher end G4 PowerMacs are actually quite usable) !

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DigiTechs · 2012-12-04 13:41:00

heat33330 wrote:
soniku3 wrote:
Flash is sorta the new Java only better [/justkiddingornot:D]
Is there something wrong with you!?

I cannot WAIT 'til flash is DEAD AND BURIED! It is slow, cluttered, unefficient and can slow things down to a crawl depending on your hardware. Have you ever tried to run it on on a PowerPC or Intel mac? [removed by moderator] it's sloooooooow.

Adobe isn't even trying anymore they know it's that bad and is going to die soon.

They've dropped support from linux.

HTML5 and Java can run on WAY more devices and is faster too - especially on older/slower PCs - look at PowerPC macs as an example(Yes I like them and they are still great, useful and are still quite fast today if you get 1.25GHz or more G4) HTML5 runs great and Java doesn't run too bad either! Then look at Flash compared to them, you'd think the computer was a [removed by moderator - please use respectful language] from the early nineties(probably not a [removed by moderator] then but slow now unless you get something from the late nineties - the higher end G4 PowerMacs are actually quite usable) !

I thought Flash would be pretty fast depending on how complex the 'thing' that is being programmed in Flash is. I mean, a simple "Hello, World" program in Flash would be pretty fast. But, I would like to ask for this thread to be closed now. It's gone on too long, and it's starting to get into a flame-war between the 'better' programming language. In my opinion, I belive they both have their advantages and disadvantages.

technoguyx · 2012-12-04 22:05:53

Of course the complexity of the program is a pretty big factor; a "Hello World" kind of program would be very fast since very little processing is needed. But the Flash Player itself already uses up lots of memory and CPU, and this is just worsened when running a complex web program. Like Noteflight, a web music notation program; it alone uses about 200 MB RAM, making it unusable in a netbook, or similar.

Yes, it is right that devices are getting each day more powerful, but what if you can't access the latest technology and are limited to more low-end devices? This is very common in 3rd world countries; I can assure this because I live in one (Chile) and I often find myself affected by this situation (I indeed have a netbook, and use Noteflight at times).

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DigiTechs · 2012-12-05 11:09:57

technoguyx wrote:
Of course the complexity of the program is a pretty big factor; a "Hello World" kind of program would be very fast since very little processing is needed. But the Flash Player itself already uses up lots of memory and CPU, and this is just worsened when running a complex web program. Like Noteflight, a web music notation program; it alone uses about 200 MB RAM, making it unusable in a netbook, or similar.

Yes, it is right that devices are getting each day more powerful, but what if you can't access the latest technology and are limited to more low-end devices? This is very common in 3rd world countries; I can assure this because I live in one (Chile) and I often find myself affected by this situation (I indeed have a netbook, and use Noteflight at times).

I still have to use an old Gateway laptop when I'm not on my PC, and Scratch is about 100x worse lag wise to use on it.

iTweak0r · 2012-12-05 17:58:46

AWW! I am taking a whole 2 years to learn about Java!

Well, the GUI things are hard but the commandline programs are very easy to make. I made a food simulator in Java!

if <(java) = [deleted]>
  set [minecraft v] to [all gone! :O]
End

GeonoTRON2000 · 2012-12-05 19:17:59

iTweak0r wrote:
AWW! I am taking a whole 2 years to learn about Java!

Well, the GUI things are hard but the commandline programs are very easy to make. I made a food simulator in Java!
if <(java) = [deleted]>
  set [minecraft v] to [all gone! :O]
End

No, you mean:

Code:

while (true) {
  if ("java".equals("deleted")) {
    throw new NullPointerException("Minecraft not found!");
    System.exit(1);
  }
}

christian2000 · 2012-12-26 12:10:54

it'll die when minecraft does

ExtremelyGamer · 2012-12-26 12:36:09

stickdude123 wrote:
without it you would not have MINECRAFT

and i have made a "hello world" code on java

+1000

I would kill myself without java (jk) tongue

ExtremelyGamer · 2012-12-26 12:38:09

technoguyx wrote:
Of course the complexity of the program is a pretty big factor; a "Hello World" kind of program would be very fast since very little processing is needed. But the Flash Player itself already uses up lots of memory and CPU, and this is just worsened when running a complex web program. Like Noteflight, a web music notation program; it alone uses about 200 MB RAM, making it unusable in a netbook, or similar.

Yes, it is right that devices are getting each day more powerful, but what if you can't access the latest technology and are limited to more low-end devices? This is very common in 3rd world countries; I can assure this because I live in one (Chile) and I often find myself affected by this situation (I indeed have a netbook, and use Noteflight at times).

Well said, but still if we stop improving technology more countries and people will lose their 1st world status.

Firedrake969 · 2012-12-26 13:04:54

I don't mind if Java dies.

technoguyx · 2012-12-26 22:40:29

ExtremelyGamer wrote:
Well said, but still if we stop improving technology more countries and people will lose their 1st world status.

Meaning 3rd world computer users will always have inferior technology overall, and therefore less processing power for applications - good point. smile And that's why programmers themselves should also optimize their applications as much as possible, keeping low-end devices in mind.

An interesting fact: Java is widely used, and taught in Chilean universities due to it being widely cross-platform. A pretty fair point imo. Funnily, the Universidad de Chile teaches Python instead and is pretty much the best (public) university of the country. tongue

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scratchisthebest · 2012-12-27 21:37:02

Apparently some people hate the "public static void main(String[] args)" thing, but whooo cares? OMG 15 MORE CHARACTERS!!!!!11 WHUT W1LL I D000?

Macros, baby. If your IDE has no expandable macro things you're doing it wrong. Heck, even the laptop band Benoit and the Mandelbrots use them in their performances.

And it helps you understand the language better. It's a
public method that
won't change (is static)
returns a empty void and
takes a String[ ] as an argument.

In Cwhatever it's the same business, except maybe for the arguments thing.

joefarebrother · 2012-12-28 13:40:49

Lots of things are programmed in Java, including the entire android OS, and many MMOs like minecraft.

Gravitation · 2012-12-28 14:04:16

Java won't die, excluding dying to itself, if you know what I mean

Evolve is a better term

People at Oracle are constantly working to make the Java language and VM better, and everything will update because changes are gradual.

Scratch

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Re: When will Java die?

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Re: When will Java die?

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