Scratch

jontmy00 wrote:

soniku3 wrote:

jontmy00 wrote:

Top Viewed and Top Loved have a high percentage of good projects that showcase programming skills. Top Remixed has a huge percentage of coloring contests, etc. that don't represent what Scratch is about — programming.

Only that? Dude , these coloring contests can be awesome. Scratch isn't about programming , it's about sharing , imaging , and programming.

The motto of Scratch is "imagine • program • share". Do art projects even show any value in programming?

Depends on the project, but it's still certainly welcome in Scratch:

Paddle2See wrote:

The Scratch Team is aware that there are tensions within the community but at this time there are no restrictions on the kinds of projects that are accepted (as long as they are appropriate).  Please do not try and make different segments of the community feel that they are not welcome.

The MIT Media Lab, that created Scratch, is interested in enabling digital creativity in ALL forms - not just programming.  The fact that art with music (and without it) has become so popular is an interesting aspect of the Scratch project that, while unexpected, is certainly welcome.

http://scratch.mit.edu/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=381392#p381392

1. My point is that they are still cluttering up the front page. The cheats who get on the front page should not even receive their views and love-it's when they cheat. With 1 case, doesn't mean it won't happen again.

2. Yes they are welcome, but seriously, I don't see a point of uploading them to a programming website just with 3 blocks in a script.

Wes64 wrote:

i agree. stuff on "top remixed" is all sorts of coloring contests (which is fine) and those usually appear in "top viewed" anyway so i dont think removing it would be much of an issue.

^ This.

@above post:
by "cheats" he was referring to the people who remixed their own project multiple times with multiple accounts to get on the top remixed list.

kayybee wrote:

@above post:
by "cheats" he was referring to the people who remixed their own project multiple times with multiple accounts to get on the top remixed list.

I've never seen that happen, and can't that happen with top loved, and get stopped the same way as top loved? If you have a lot of alt accounts you can just send yourself to the top of the top loved list. And I do know that some people do love a project multiple times with their alt if they really like it.

Scratch isn't just for programming. Programming a little bit to make art is a step toward learning to program anyway.

Mokat wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

jontmy00 wrote:

1. My point is that they are still cluttering up the front page. The cheats who get on the front page should not even receive their views and love-it's when they cheat. With 1 case, doesn't mean it won't happen again.

But the same can be said for other forms of cheating regarding the Top Loved and Top Viewed rows. It doesn't mean that we'll be getting rid of the row on those grounds, either.

Mokat wrote:

It's true that people can cheat into top loved and top viewed, but that's really hard because you can only get one view per IP address, and you can only love-it once per account, but with remixing you can remix it like ten times. That's why the TOp Downloaded was removed- because you can download it over and over and get an easy frontpage.

cheddargirl wrote:

Unlike Top Viewed/Top Loved/Top Remixed which was largely based on what the community liked, Top Downloaded was largely affected by issues where Scratchers said that a project had to be downloaded in order to work, which was not necessarily a reflection on whether or not a Scratcher was downloading a project if they liked it or if it was due to an online bug of some sort. But this was during the era of the Java online player, though (back when a large number of projects didn't even load online forcing users to download in order to even view a project), I don't know if it will be brought back anytime soon.

-> On a side note, the part about getting into Top Loved and Top Viewed being very hard to cheat isn't quite true either: I've seen it happen a couple of times already.

Only one love it per ip counts toward the front page, only one view per ip, and most proxies don't work (the large amount that report that they are proxies), so although it is possible, wouldn't it be very difficult to cheat top viewed or loved?

jontmy00 wrote:

zubblewu wrote:

Only one love it per ip counts toward the front page, only one view per ip, and most proxies don't work (the large amount that report that they are proxies), so although it is possible, wouldn't it be very difficult to cheat top viewed or loved?

You're forgetting dynamic IPs.

dynamic ips are somewhat rare and often don't count multiple times.

zubblewu wrote:

jontmy00 wrote:

zubblewu wrote:

Only one love it per ip counts toward the front page, only one view per ip, and most proxies don't work (the large amount that report that they are proxies), so although it is possible, wouldn't it be very difficult to cheat top viewed or loved?

You're forgetting dynamic IPs.

dynamic ips are somewhat rare and often don't count multiple times.

Actually, a good chunk of personal networks have a dynamic IP address. How often it changes depends on the network, but some can change pretty fast (particularly if it's for security reasons).

zubblewu wrote:

cheddargirl wrote:

zubblewu wrote:

dynamic ips are somewhat rare and often don't count multiple times.

Actually, a good chunk of personal networks have a dynamic IP address. How often it changes depends on the network, but some can change pretty fast (particularly if it's for security reasons).

I probably should have specified ones that could change fast enough to make a real difference, shouldnt I.

Some school networks (assuming they don't use a static IP address) have been prone to be a possible cause for this. There are other cases where someone gets into Top Viewed through unnatural ways (although I'd rather not get too much into it now, since it would throw the thread off-topic).

Last edited by cheddargirl (2012-12-13 22:51:33)

Well than curator's could also be deleted , how often do curators curate friends?