Scratch

Paddle2See wrote:

muppetds wrote:

Gravitation wrote:

Yeah, I was wondering about that 

Fixed

No, Andresmh hasn't been around Scratch much for quite a while now.  He's moved on to other things.  In an academic setting, such as the MIT Media Lab, people come and go quite a bit - it's to be expected.  We all wish him good luck with his work at Microsoft 

dvd4 wrote:

Uh oh, this isn't good 

Can you be more specific?  I'm not sure what you are talking about here...

dvd4 doesn't like 2.0, unfortunately

Paddle2See wrote:

dvd4 wrote:

Uh oh, this isn't good 

Can you be more specific?  I'm not sure what you are talking about here...

I'm talking about scratch 2.0 …

And the more the thread about it, the worse 

dvd4 wrote:

SJRCS_011 wrote:

Paddle2See wrote:

muppetds wrote:

Fixed

No, Andresmh hasn't been around Scratch much for quite a while now.  He's moved on to other things.  In an academic setting, such as the MIT Media Lab, people come and go quite a bit - it's to be expected.  We all wish him good luck with his work at Microsoft 

Can you be more specific?  I'm not sure what you are talking about here...

dvd4 doesn't like 2.0, [color=red]unfortunately[/red]

Um, why "unfortunately" ?

Because it's the future of Scratch.

dvd4 wrote:

veggieman001 wrote:

dvd4 wrote:

Um, why "unfortunately" ?

Because it's the future of Scratch.

Just because the future is gloomy doesn't mean I can't say so.

How is the future gloomy? (except that they're using Python instead of PHP, and PHP is much more awesome)

JH1010 wrote:

I am afraid the future for Scratch is gloomy. Not the near future but in 10 years time everybody will use tablet computers. Since Scratch violates tablet app rules it will become defunct along with the computer itself.

If you use an Android tablet, it will work. 

jvvg wrote:

JH1010 wrote:

I am afraid the future for Scratch is gloomy. Not the near future but in 10 years time everybody will use tablet computers. Since Scratch violates tablet app rules it will become defunct along with the computer itself.

If you use an Android tablet, it will work. 

And what if you don't use it ?

Last edited by dvd4 (2012-12-02 16:42:07)

dvd4 wrote:

jvvg wrote:

dvd4 wrote:

Just because the future is gloomy doesn't mean I can't say so.

How is the future gloomy? (except that they're using Python instead of PHP, and PHP is much more awesome)

1. No forums
2. No TBGs
3. No PHP
4. No comments in projects
5. No mods

Me thinks that is enough.

1. There will be forums!
2. Just go to TBGs.tk.
3. You're right on this one.
4. There will be comments in projects, it just isn't implemented yet. If you're going to sneak around the alpha without the code, then don't spread rumours that aren't true.
5. There can still be mods in the downloaded version.

Me thinks that isn't enough.

Last edited by stevetheipad (2012-12-02 16:50:35)

dvd4 wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

dvd4 wrote:

1. No forums
2. No TBGs
3. No PHP
4. No comments in projects
5. No mods

Me thinks that is enough.

1. There will be forums!
2. Just go to TBGs.tk.
3. You're right on this one.
4. There will be comments in projects, it just isn't implemented yet. If you're going to sneak around the alpha without the code, then don't spread rumours that aren't true.
5. There can still be mods in the downloaded version.

Me thinks that isn't enough.

1. I mean these
2. But all the posts…
3.*nothing*
4. Your right on that point
5. Really ? :party:

Me thinks that we shouldn't be discussing this here...

1. These forums will probably be archived.
2. The new tbgs.tk is just fine.

Me thinks 2.0 is awesome.

stevetheipad wrote:

dvd4 wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

1. There will be forums!
2. Just go to TBGs.tk.
3. You're right on this one.
4. There will be comments in projects, it just isn't implemented yet. If you're going to sneak around the alpha without the code, then don't spread rumours that aren't true.
5. There can still be mods in the downloaded version.

Me thinks that isn't enough.

1. I mean these
2. But all the posts…
3.*nothing*
4. Your right on that point
5. Really ? :party:

Me thinks that we shouldn't be discussing this here...

1. These forums will probably be archived.
2. The new tbgs.tk is just fine.

Me thinks 2.0 is awesome.

1. yes, but think of all the threads that are not inactive that are going to be closed.
2. In my opinion, tbgs.tk or any other site just won't replace scratch.

RedRocker227 wrote:

does it really matter that it won't be using php, you're using it as a reason why 2.0 is bad but do you even know both php and python, and why would the language it's written matter if the finished thing is good

What's the difference between badly written code and well written code ? The result may be the same, but the well written code is easier to update.

veggieman001 wrote:

But Python in this way has the same functionality as PHP and may be easier to do what they want.
What do you have proving PHP is better over Python? It doesn't really matter overall in this case; if they know the language, they'll be able to update it just as well.

A couple reasons why PHP is better:
1. PHP is more widely used for web design, so it probably has better documentation and is maintained better
2. PHP is specifically designed for web design, whereas Python is not
3. Python uses BASIC syntax, while PHP uses C syntax, making it more efficient, because C is designed to be easily converted to assembly, while Python is not

I think we are getting a PHP vs Python debate. Though I'll add my opinion since I've used both, though Python will be a little biased. 

PHP is easier to use to build websites, or at least, it makes more sense when building a website with PHP than Python. Since it's designed to be used for web development, it's going to be easier to use for web development.

However, with Python there are some modules and full blown frameworks that can make it extremely easy to build and maybe even easier than PHP. Python also has an easier to read syntax (which is why I prefer it over almost any language other than Scratch  ). The reason Python is (kind of) hard to create websites with is because, a) You need to build the socket server (either on your own, or get an already made framework), b) (free) web hosting don't usually allow Python (since you can use it to build background programs), so it makes it hard to find someone to host your website. You either need to pay for your own server or find someone willing to host it for you.

While it is possible to write web pages like how you do with PHP with CGI, it's kind of hard to setup (based on my experience). And just so you all know, Google's websites are in Python.