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#101 2012-11-21 21:39:58

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

jji7skyline wrote:

TheSupremeOverLord wrote:

Well, maybe I am just boast because apple hates flash.  Resulting in a lack of scratch  tongue
I just read an article about how,  under section 3.1.3 of apples terms and usage, no apps shall be sold nor developed that are designed to inturptert and execute code. 
Now for a history lesson:


Scratch is only available as a desktop application, meaning it runs on laptops and desktop computers. Scratch is currently not available as a mobile device app. However, the Scratch Team may develop a web application for creating projects on tablets.
Several solutions have been tried, but none truly successful.
History

The Scratch Viewer was the first application created to play Scratch projects on mobile devices, specifically Apple's iOS. It was made by John McIntosh of Smalltalk Consulting Ltd, a Canadian Programmer who had before had had no affiliation with the MIT Media Lab. However, in April 2010 the application was removed from iTunes (Apple's app store) by Apple because it violates Section 3.3.1 of the company’s policy against applications that interpret or execute code.
After the demise of the Scratch Viewer, other Scratchers started attempting to make project viewers based on the HTML5 canvas element. The first two such projects were Go Everywhere!, by comp500, and the HTML Viewer, by Johnnydean1.[citation needed] The HTML Viewer officially stopped development, but was picked up again by two of its members, MidnightLeopard and MathWizz, who are developing JsScratch based on the old code from the HTML Viewer and a JavaScript library known as Morphic.js. Go Everywhere! development seems to have stopped as well.[citation needed]
The Android Scratch Player is a player specifically for the Android operating system. It is made by ZeroLuck, and is currently in alpha stage.
The Scratch Team has hinted at an official HTML5 viewer for Scratch 2.0.[2]
RHY3756547 started creating his own HTML5-based player for Scratch 2.0, called sb2.js. It reads the Scratch 2.0 File Format, and recompiles it to Javascript code.
Problems

No matter how good an HTML5 player works on a desktop computer, it will likely not work as well on a mobile device for a few reasons:
Mobile devices are often not as good as interpreting code as desktop computers
Mobile devices do not have a real keyboard, so key interaction is made difficult
Exact clicking on a mobile device is made difficult by the necessity of using a finger as the mouse
The native Scratch application also doesn't work, due to the Squeak VM not supporting mobile devices. If the tablet supports either the Flash Player or Java Player, the project could be played in it. For Scratch 2.0, the project could be edited, albeit with the difficulties mentioned above, if the device supports Flash.

Jailbreak, then get it from the Cydia store, or just side load the application without jailbreaking.  tongue

My mom said no...   tongue


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#102 2012-11-21 22:19:11

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

TheSupremeOverLord wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

TheSupremeOverLord wrote:

Well, maybe I am just boast because apple hates flash.  Resulting in a lack of scratch  tongue
I just read an article about how,  under section 3.1.3 of apples terms and usage, no apps shall be sold nor developed that are designed to inturptert and execute code. 
Now for a history lesson:


Scratch is only available as a desktop application, meaning it runs on laptops and desktop computers. Scratch is currently not available as a mobile device app. However, the Scratch Team may develop a web application for creating projects on tablets.
Several solutions have been tried, but none truly successful.
History

The Scratch Viewer was the first application created to play Scratch projects on mobile devices, specifically Apple's iOS. It was made by John McIntosh of Smalltalk Consulting Ltd, a Canadian Programmer who had before had had no affiliation with the MIT Media Lab. However, in April 2010 the application was removed from iTunes (Apple's app store) by Apple because it violates Section 3.3.1 of the company’s policy against applications that interpret or execute code.
After the demise of the Scratch Viewer, other Scratchers started attempting to make project viewers based on the HTML5 canvas element. The first two such projects were Go Everywhere!, by comp500, and the HTML Viewer, by Johnnydean1.[citation needed] The HTML Viewer officially stopped development, but was picked up again by two of its members, MidnightLeopard and MathWizz, who are developing JsScratch based on the old code from the HTML Viewer and a JavaScript library known as Morphic.js. Go Everywhere! development seems to have stopped as well.[citation needed]
The Android Scratch Player is a player specifically for the Android operating system. It is made by ZeroLuck, and is currently in alpha stage.
The Scratch Team has hinted at an official HTML5 viewer for Scratch 2.0.[2]
RHY3756547 started creating his own HTML5-based player for Scratch 2.0, called sb2.js. It reads the Scratch 2.0 File Format, and recompiles it to Javascript code.
Problems

No matter how good an HTML5 player works on a desktop computer, it will likely not work as well on a mobile device for a few reasons:
Mobile devices are often not as good as interpreting code as desktop computers
Mobile devices do not have a real keyboard, so key interaction is made difficult
Exact clicking on a mobile device is made difficult by the necessity of using a finger as the mouse
The native Scratch application also doesn't work, due to the Squeak VM not supporting mobile devices. If the tablet supports either the Flash Player or Java Player, the project could be played in it. For Scratch 2.0, the project could be edited, albeit with the difficulties mentioned above, if the device supports Flash.

Jailbreak, then get it from the Cydia store, or just side load the application without jailbreaking.  tongue

My mom said no...   tongue

Scratch for iOS .ipa
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Use iFunbox to install the .ipa file, and there's no need to jailbreak.


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#103 2012-11-21 22:45:14

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

stevetheipad wrote:

iPad 4. Because software matters.

Srry stevey, but nobody likes Apple anymore...


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#104 2012-11-21 23:37:51

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

Digital-Dingo wrote:

Apple has been the same thing every generation
Apple is getting boring

yikes


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#105 2012-11-22 00:00:58

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

mmww wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

iPad 4. Because software matters.

Srry stevey, but nobody likes Apple anymore...

I wouldn't say everybody ...


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#106 2012-11-22 00:28:02

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

slapperbob wrote:

Wait, when did the iPad 4 come out? And didn't the iPad 3 just come out earlier this year?

That's what I thought, too...


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#107 2012-11-22 00:31:52

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

stevetheipad wrote:

Digital-Dingo wrote:

Apple has been the same thing every generation
Apple is getting boring

yikes

You can't argue with this, Steve. Apple is just making everything thinner and lighter each generation, as technology allows us to shrink things. Are people still impressed by this after three or four generations of MacBook Air that are identical? Thinner and lighter iPhones so there is a few millimeters more room in your pocket? The iPhone design hasn't changed significantly in three generations, ditto for the MacBook Air, the MacBook Pro (non retina) haven't changed since the first unibody MBPs in 2008 except maybe moving the position of the DVD drive. Retina is thinner, but that is about all the difference from the typical design. Apple really hasn't been taking risks recently, and hopefully the drop in their stock value after the iPhone 5 disappointment  teaches them a lesson for next generation items.


TheSupremeOverLord wrote:

I'm going to have to say ipad4.  It is portable, but other than that, there's not a whole lot to compliment.  A samaler CPU and hard drive makes it extremely difficult to process the dim pilots requests.  It takes minutes to even launch an application.  Also, the smaller hard drive creates a problem.  It can not hold a charge.  Also, you can not use the Internet on the go.  And Siri is slow to find responses.  So this isn't just a long rant, the iPad is very astheticaly pleasing.
tongue

Umm, wut?
The size of the hard drive (technically solid state drive) in the iPad has nothing to do with the speed, and is no smaller than that of Surface RT. Apps launch in seconds, and the smaller SSD is NOT a problem. I use maybe 20GB of my 32 on my iPad, including a three-gig textbook and three gigs of music, as well as a few 2GB games. It isn't a problem unless you plan to do video work on it. The battery lasts all day. You can use Internet on the go in the wifi+3G models, and mobile broadband is not standard on Windows laptops either. Siri has no competitor on Windows in terms of usage numbers.


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#108 2012-11-22 00:43:30

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

16Skittles wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

Digital-Dingo wrote:

Apple has been the same thing every generation
Apple is getting boring

yikes

You can't argue with this, Steve. Apple is just making everything thinner and lighter each generation, as technology allows us to shrink things. Are people still impressed by this after three or four generations of MacBook Air that are identical? Thinner and lighter iPhones so there is a few millimeters more room in your pocket? The iPhone design hasn't changed significantly in three generations, ditto for the MacBook Air, the MacBook Pro (non retina) haven't changed since the first unibody MBPs in 2008 except maybe moving the position of the DVD drive. Retina is thinner, but that is about all the difference from the typical design. Apple really hasn't been taking risks recently, and hopefully the drop in their stock value after the iPhone 5 disappointment  teaches them a lesson for next generation items.


TheSupremeOverLord wrote:

I'm going to have to say ipad4.  It is portable, but other than that, there's not a whole lot to compliment.  A samaler CPU and hard drive makes it extremely difficult to process the dim pilots requests.  It takes minutes to even launch an application.  Also, the smaller hard drive creates a problem.  It can not hold a charge.  Also, you can not use the Internet on the go.  And Siri is slow to find responses.  So this isn't just a long rant, the iPad is very astheticaly pleasing.
tongue

Umm, wut?
The size of the hard drive (technically solid state drive) in the iPad has nothing to do with the speed, and is no smaller than that of Surface RT. Apps launch in seconds, and the smaller SSD is NOT a problem. I use maybe 20GB of my 32 on my iPad, including a three-gig textbook and three gigs of music, as well as a few 2GB games. It isn't a problem unless you plan to do video work on it. The battery lasts all day. You can use Internet on the go in the wifi+3G models, and mobile broadband is not standard on Windows laptops either. Siri has no competitor on Windows in terms of usage numbers.

I agree that a few big changes should be coming up, but I think that Apple has designed such a good product that its difficult to improve it. It's easy to reply saying you could add a bunch of stuff but there's more to consider: price increase, battery life, problems, bugs...

@iPad Battery Life: This is something I was super impressed with, the battery life is amazing, lasts for a couple days for me and I don't bother and delete apps from my multitasking bar much. However, much of this is because I bother to change the brightness of my screen to accommodate my needs (or auto brightness does it for me). that's really the key to good batter life on the iPad.


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#109 2012-11-22 02:23:47

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

My Kindle Ice gets barely 7 hours with brightness locked to the lowest setting (which is around as bright as an iPad on 25%).  tongue


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#110 2012-11-22 02:52:14

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

The most changed Apple product I know is the iPod shuffle, it has gone from stick to clip, making it easier to carry around.

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#111 2012-11-22 02:59:09

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

Nope. Check out the iPod Nano.

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/IPod_Nano_4G_black_crop.jpg/50px-IPod_Nano_4G_black_crop.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/IPod-Nano-5G-front.png/75px-IPod-Nano-5G-front.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/6G_IPod_Nano.svg/75px-6G_IPod_Nano.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/7th_Generation_iPod_Nano.svg/75px-7th_Generation_iPod_Nano.svg.png


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#112 2012-11-22 10:41:09

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

Does anyone really buy non-touch iPods now anyway?


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#113 2012-11-22 11:57:11

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

16Skittles wrote:

Does anyone really buy non-touch iPods now anyway?

Yes, now that it starts at $299. Plus the iPod touch isn't great for running.


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#114 2012-11-22 18:45:08

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

16Skittles wrote:

Does anyone really buy non-touch iPods now anyway?

Shuffle = Awesome cheapest iPod ever. Lack of features? Rubbish. My sister has one and it's the pure portable music experience.

Classic = If I get a car, I know what I'm replacing the CD player with. 160GB. Seriously? You've got to admit that's awesome.


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#115 2012-11-22 19:35:49

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

Does anyone really buy non-touch iPods now anyway?

Shuffle = Awesome cheapest iPod ever. Lack of features? Rubbish. My sister has one and it's the pure portable music experience.

Classic = If I get a car, I know what I'm replacing the CD player with. 160GB. Seriously? You've got to admit that's awesome.

The fact that Apple made a $49 iPod surprised me and it's awesome for the price...yes it's just a music player, but it's an excellent one and it's all you need for a music player.

The classic is pretty sweet due to it's memory capabilities. My sister has one, she's had one for at least five years and still hasn't filled it up and she's a big music girl.  big_smile


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#116 2012-11-22 20:13:38

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

stevetheipad wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

Does anyone really buy non-touch iPods now anyway?

Shuffle = Awesome cheapest iPod ever. Lack of features? Rubbish. My sister has one and it's the pure portable music experience.

Classic = If I get a car, I know what I'm replacing the CD player with. 160GB. Seriously? You've got to admit that's awesome.

The fact that Apple made a $49 iPod surprised me and it's awesome for the price...yes it's just a music player, but it's an excellent one and it's all you need for a music player.

The classic is pretty sweet due to it's memory capabilities. My sister has one, she's had one for at least five years and still hasn't filled it up and she's a big music girl.  big_smile

You can get much more capable basic music players than the shuffle, if you don't mind plastic.

I can't deny that the classic is awesome, though. Just don't drop it too much, or the hard drive may crash.  tongue

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#117 2012-11-22 20:18:01

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

fire219 wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:


Shuffle = Awesome cheapest iPod ever. Lack of features? Rubbish. My sister has one and it's the pure portable music experience.

Classic = If I get a car, I know what I'm replacing the CD player with. 160GB. Seriously? You've got to admit that's awesome.

The fact that Apple made a $49 iPod surprised me and it's awesome for the price...yes it's just a music player, but it's an excellent one and it's all you need for a music player.

The classic is pretty sweet due to it's memory capabilities. My sister has one, she's had one for at least five years and still hasn't filled it up and she's a big music girl.  big_smile

You can get much more capable basic music players than the shuffle, if you don't mind plastic.

I can't deny that the classic is awesome, though. Just don't drop it too much, or the hard drive may crash.  tongue

(Typing from my new Samsung Captivate Glide, my new Tegra2 based smartphone  big_smile  )

The shuffle is a really solid, attractive device for $49. It's sleek.


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#118 2012-11-22 21:24:36

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

Does anyone really buy non-touch iPods now anyway?

Shuffle = Awesome cheapest iPod ever. Lack of features? Rubbish. My sister has one and it's the pure portable music experience.

Classic = If I get a car, I know what I'm replacing the CD player with. 160GB. Seriously? You've got to admit that's awesome.

Why not build or buy a small computer? A netbook would do just as well with a bigger hard drive, and could stream music. Of course ideally it would be an iPad mini or full sized iPad in the center console. Also, do you REALLY have 160GB of music, or even 160GB worth of files worth keeping on a device with no ability to access or manipulate them?


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#119 2012-11-22 22:09:31

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

16Skittles wrote:

Also, do you REALLY have 160GB of music, or even 160GB worth of files worth keeping on a device with no ability to access or manipulate them?

Most people don't. I have over 16000 songs in my music library, and that's about 128GB. Note that even though it's close to 160GB, it's nowhere close to Apple's estimated 40,000 songs because their estimate is in crud-quality 128kbps AAC, a format which almost nobody uses because the iTunes Store and the default encoder in iTunes use 256kbps and anyone who actually knows what they're doing won't use AAC anyway.


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#120 2012-11-22 23:21:45

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

16Skittles wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

Does anyone really buy non-touch iPods now anyway?

Shuffle = Awesome cheapest iPod ever. Lack of features? Rubbish. My sister has one and it's the pure portable music experience.

Classic = If I get a car, I know what I'm replacing the CD player with. 160GB. Seriously? You've got to admit that's awesome.

Why not build or buy a small computer? A netbook would do just as well with a bigger hard drive, and could stream music. Of course ideally it would be an iPad mini or full sized iPad in the center console. Also, do you REALLY have 160GB of music, or even 160GB worth of files worth keeping on a device with no ability to access or manipulate them?

Who'd want to lug around a XP running 2 kilo plastic brick just to listen to music?  tongue

@veggie: You have a lot of songs.


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#121 2012-11-22 23:23:37

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:


Shuffle = Awesome cheapest iPod ever. Lack of features? Rubbish. My sister has one and it's the pure portable music experience.

Classic = If I get a car, I know what I'm replacing the CD player with. 160GB. Seriously? You've got to admit that's awesome.

Why not build or buy a small computer? A netbook would do just as well with a bigger hard drive, and could stream music. Of course ideally it would be an iPad mini or full sized iPad in the center console. Also, do you REALLY have 160GB of music, or even 160GB worth of files worth keeping on a device with no ability to access or manipulate them?

Who'd want to lug around a XP running 2 kilo plastic brick just to listen to music?  tongue

@veggie: You have a lot of songs.

Yes. And I've also got a lot of records and tapes that aren't on my computer.
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#122 2012-11-23 00:21:00

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

veggieman001 wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:


Why not build or buy a small computer? A netbook would do just as well with a bigger hard drive, and could stream music. Of course ideally it would be an iPad mini or full sized iPad in the center console. Also, do you REALLY have 160GB of music, or even 160GB worth of files worth keeping on a device with no ability to access or manipulate them?

Who'd want to lug around a XP running 2 kilo plastic brick just to listen to music?  tongue

@veggie: You have a lot of songs.

Yes. And I've also got a lot of records and tapes that aren't on my computer.
wink

Do you collect them? Or are they your parents'?  tongue


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#123 2012-11-23 06:47:46

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

My music collection is about 5GB in all, and admittedly a lot of it is 128 and 196 kbps mp3.


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#124 2012-11-23 08:30:42

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:


Shuffle = Awesome cheapest iPod ever. Lack of features? Rubbish. My sister has one and it's the pure portable music experience.

Classic = If I get a car, I know what I'm replacing the CD player with. 160GB. Seriously? You've got to admit that's awesome.

Why not build or buy a small computer? A netbook would do just as well with a bigger hard drive, and could stream music. Of course ideally it would be an iPad mini or full sized iPad in the center console. Also, do you REALLY have 160GB of music, or even 160GB worth of files worth keeping on a device with no ability to access or manipulate them?

Who'd want to lug around a XP running 2 kilo plastic brick just to listen to music?  tongue

@veggie: You have a lot of songs.

Your entire point was to replace the car stereo with. You never said anything about taking it with you on the go.


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#125 2012-11-23 12:16:35

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Re: Windows 8 VS iPad 4

16Skittles wrote:

jji7skyline wrote:

16Skittles wrote:


Why not build or buy a small computer? A netbook would do just as well with a bigger hard drive, and could stream music. Of course ideally it would be an iPad mini or full sized iPad in the center console. Also, do you REALLY have 160GB of music, or even 160GB worth of files worth keeping on a device with no ability to access or manipulate them?

Who'd want to lug around a XP running 2 kilo plastic brick just to listen to music?  tongue

@veggie: You have a lot of songs.

Your entire point was to replace the car stereo with. You never said anything about taking it with you on the go.

I don't think I'd want to spend $249 for a classic to use just when I was driving. So it's more practical if you can easily dock it and undock it from your car.


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