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Why don't you guys thank bush for the economy? Must I remind you again that he took us from surplus to a rapidly increasing deficit at the end of his term?

zubblewu wrote:

Claude_Monet wrote:

zubblewu wrote:

Being born into a billionaire family is pretty much being born a billionaire. And not all do, granted, but some people who inherit billions don't do anything to earn it or work or anything. I didn't say anything about numbers, but it is a case that happense.
True, the person inheriting didn't work hard but the person they were inheriting from did. That's like saying 'Well, this newborn baby is selfish. It did nothing to help the mother nurture itself, it just laid there for 8 months' Not really. If you come to the age where you can work to earn your money but don't because you're already rolling in it, it's your fault, and you don't deserve it. If you work hard and carry on a legacy or start your own, okay fine. But not if you did nothing to earn it.You make no sense. First, you say that if someone is rich, they deserve it, then you go on about how legacies need to be carried or started to be honorable, unless you in inherit money. Let me explain how inheriting works, when someone dies, you get half of what they left for you(The other half is taxed). This is usually not all the money they made, just $100 dollars in money or items in most cases.

And more than half of people who are homeless or dirt poor do work hard but can't get a job, let alone a good, well paying one, or are mentally I'll and can't. And any city? So does that mean that when I built a tiny little city way in the woods once while I was on vacation and there are no buildings within 2 miles there's a job hiring opporotunity? Granted, it's not a big city, not even any place big enough for a human to fit in, but you can still call it a city  That would be a settlement, and if it was big, you would need people to work in the brand new buildings, so you would have work within a two mile radius On the scale it was it would have been large enough to constitute a city, yet its still small enough to have all the hiring opporotunities filled. And who said all cities have buildings within 2 miles of them? Many urban areas are full these days, or even overfull. And many jobs require special knowledge of the profession. Not everyone has the same skill sets.From the way you described your city, you built it all by yourself and released it to the public to move in and expand, mean jobs in construction and future jobs they would build. Also, people can move if they can't find unskilled labor, they can also take a college course and give jobs to professors.

16Skittles wrote:

Okay, I'm out. This has devolved into a name calling and denial of facts.  If you can't accept facts, you're not gonna make it in this world. I'll be back on the 6th to either cheer or cry, but probably cheer.

You just denied a fact that approval for Romney has gone up since the first debate.

But, if you can't seem to come up with counter arguments, I guess I'll see you later.

Claude_Monet wrote:

16Skittles wrote:

Okay, I'm out. This has devolved into a name calling and denial of facts.  If you can't accept facts, you're not gonna make it in this world. I'll be back on the 6th to either cheer or cry, but probably cheer.

You just denied a fact that approval for Romney has gone up since the first debate.

But, if you can't seem to come up with counter arguments, I guess I'll see you later.

Lol, I guess I have one more thing to say: what did I just deny? Polls are great and all, but the only one that matters is the one on November 6th. Romney has a bounce, but sft the debate Obama has been picking up ground.

Claude_Monet wrote:

jvvg wrote:

Claude_Monet wrote:

You just denied a fact that approval for Romney has gone up since the first debate.

But, if you can't seem to come up with counter arguments, I guess I'll see you later.

You're missing the point entirely...
He could keep arguing until the sun goes out, but it won't get anywhere because a bunch of people are now just using insults and denying clear facts.

Oh, I see.

I think the most exciting part of a debate is when you want to rip your opposition's skin off, or just insult their mother.

If you rip their skin off, you might want to get checked for anger management problems. 
In the other case, when it just gets to insults, it no longer is a debate, it's just an insult match. A debate requires using arguments, logic, and backing things up, and at least sort-of respecting your opponent. When it turns to insults, it becomes a lot funnier, but it's not really meaningful anymore.

Also, insulting isn't really allowed on Scratch. I've gotten in trouble for insulting people before.

Last edited by jvvg (2012-10-24 21:48:38)

backspace_ wrote:

jvvg wrote:

CN12 wrote:

Which is?...

Let's see...
-Ending one of the wars (Iraq) woohoo
-Saving the auto industry link pleaseare you denying that the auto-industry bailout happened, or that it was effective?
-Preventing the economy from totally collapsing the economy is totally collapsing, thank you ObamaThe economy has been recovering for a while now.  The question isn't whether the economy is recovering, but to what extent Obama's policies helped
-Killing Osama Bin Laden and several other leaders of Al Quaeda Obama didn't really do anything. Agents found the location of Osama Bin Laden and all Obama had to do was say "yeah sure kill him." kind of a no-brainer, George Bush would have done it, Jimmy Carter would have done it, any president would have done it.Romney is quoted as saying "It's not worth moving heaven and Earth and spending billions of dollars just to catch one person".  Whether you believe the effort we put into catching Osama bin Laden was worth it, you cannot claim that anyone would have done it.
-Expanding healthcare to a lot more Americans there are a lot of negative effects coming with thatOf course; there were also plenty of positive effects too.  The overall effect is still debated.
-Reduce unemployment link ??? (if one exists)here are the statistics for unemployment.  The unemployment now is equal to what it was when he assumed office.  Democrats argue that this shows a successful recovery from the recession of Bush (most people agree that Obama's policies had little chance to take effect the first year).
...and a lot more but I'm too lazy to list the rest of it I'll bet

You know, if hitler was aborted, the world would be very different. America would never get out of the depression, technology would be severely primitive and America wouldn't have been the dominant power.

Upon thinking of this, I might vote for Obama, a civil war is just what we need to fix the economy 

(I'm joking)

jvvg wrote:

Claude_Monet wrote:

You know, if hitler was aborted, the world would be very different. America would never get out of the depression, technology would be severely primitive and America wouldn't have been the dominant power.

Upon thinking of this, I might vote for Obama, a civil war is just what we need to fix the economy 

(I'm joking)

If Hitler were aborted

His mother was considering an abortion, but was talked out of it by her doctor.

soupoftomato wrote:

backspace_ wrote:

jvvg wrote:

Let's see...
-Ending one of the wars (Iraq) woohoo
-Saving the auto industry link please
-Preventing the economy from totally collapsing the economy is totally collapsing, thank you Obama
-Killing Osama Bin Laden and several other leaders of Al Quaeda Obama didn't really do anything. Agents found the location of Osama Bin Laden and all Obama had to do was say "yeah sure kill him." kind of a no-brainer, George Bush would have done it, Jimmy Carter would have done it, any president would have done it.
-Expanding healthcare to a lot more Americans there are a lot of negative effects coming with that
-Reduce unemployment link ??? (if one exists)
...and a lot more but I'm too lazy to list the rest of it I'll bet

Yes, let's disregard ending a war with a "woohoo", it's not like ending it saves lives or helps our economy or anything is it?

He bailed out General Motors when they were failing.

While the economy is definitely not good right now, he actually did prevent an even worse disaster happening to it.

Obama authorized a mission that could have failed. Credit for giving the OK, not doing the actual deed. Bill Clinton apparently had the ability to authorize a mission to kill Osama many times and never did.

What negative effects? People who are too poor can get covered for their medical costs. People who already have a condition can get covered by insurance. And as long as you have health insurance already, you are pretty much unaffected. People who make enough money but aren't covered will pay a tax that goes back into helping other people without health care. Essentially, anyone with enough money to be able to afford health insurance either will need to get it, or pay a tax in it's place.

Well, he could have just fixed the economy so people could pay for it themselves.

Claude_Monet wrote:

soupoftomato wrote:

backspace_ wrote:

Yes, let's disregard ending a war with a "woohoo", it's not like ending it saves lives or helps our economy or anything is it?

He bailed out General Motors when they were failing.

While the economy is definitely not good right now, he actually did prevent an even worse disaster happening to it.

Obama authorized a mission that could have failed. Credit for giving the OK, not doing the actual deed. Bill Clinton apparently had the ability to authorize a mission to kill Osama many times and never did.

What negative effects? People who are too poor can get covered for their medical costs. People who already have a condition can get covered by insurance. And as long as you have health insurance already, you are pretty much unaffected. People who make enough money but aren't covered will pay a tax that goes back into helping other people without health care. Essentially, anyone with enough money to be able to afford health insurance either will need to get it, or pay a tax in it's place.

Well, he could have just fixed the economy so people could pay for it themselves.

Because it's SO EASY to fix our economy.

I'm sure you could do it overnight or something.

You realize many, many people have to agree to get something passed? Obama can't just sit down and say "this will fix our economy, do this" and have it happening the next week.

(also, I like how the one backspace_ was REALLY uncertain and doubting of was reducing unemployment, the one that had an actual source from the government and I had linked many many times trying to stop that argument >.>)

Last edited by soupoftomato (2012-10-24 22:33:24)

Claude_Monet wrote:

OverPowered wrote:

Claude_Monet wrote:

You know, if hitler was aborted, the world would be very different. America would never get out of the depression, technology would be severely primitive and America wouldn't have been the dominant power.

Upon thinking of this, I might vote for Obama, a civil war is just what we need to fix the economy 

(I'm joking)

Link please? :3

Seriously, guys. I've seen ONE link, by MoreGamesNow.
Without sources, your debate is NOTHING. It's just meaningless angry babble. So please, cite a source or don't post.

Thank you.

"Citations ... draw attention to the ... legitimacy of your own ideas."

Carol Anne Germain. When and Why to Cite Sources. Albany University. October 2012. Web. 24 October 2012. <http://library.albany.edu/usered/cite/citing.html>

You want a link for sonething taught in 6th grade?

http://economics.about.com/od/useconomichistory/a/post_war.htm
Be educated

Uhm, wouldn't we have just had a more "average" economy, because that doesn't say we got out of the depression then, but that we feared going back into one.

And what does that have to do with our technology.

And my 6th grade didn't focus on American history, or the second world war, so I didn't learn this . . .

Claude_Monet wrote:

ost_war.htm
URL got cut 

I saw it fine.

Obama inherited in his position a terrible economy. He saved us from the situation we were headed into. The economy was crumbling when he took office, and it's much harder to build something than to tear it down.