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@CN12: The Iraq war WAS stopped. The Iraq and the Afghanistan war are two different things. And he did oversee the mission to kill Bin Laden. Bush tried for much longer to accomplish the same thing and was not successful, so it's definitely something he has earned the right to brag about.

@Werdna123: George W. Bush started both wars.

I was watching the debates last night and Undecided Voters had things they could use to report how they were responding to the arguments and such. Once when it switched to Romney, the graph went into the negatives before he spoke. 

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CN12 wrote:

jvvg wrote:

cartooncreator wrote:

Really? I watched a focus group in a post debate show, they were all swing voters. Most of them said they had voted for Obama in '08, but the majority said they thought Romney won. They said he seemed presidential, on his game, and collected. I guess it's viewers opinion, but the focus group all said they thought Romney won, and they were all undecided up until then. ^^

Romney told a bunch of lies, and almost every source I can find says Obama won.

I am pretty sure that Obama won, but the way you put it doesn't sound right to me.

I'm sure Obama told some lies too. You are making it sound like Obama is perfect, and doesn't say any lies at all. That's not fair. Nobody's perfect. Not even me.

Neither canidate was completely honest.

stevetheipad wrote:

jvvg wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

Romney is ahead in the polls.     

Really? Most polls I've seen show Obama slightly ahead.

Also, pretty much all of the polls I can find (except for Fox News, of course) show Obama won the debate.

Yeah. 

Source: http://www.politico.com/p/2012-election/polls/president

At least they show Obama winning the electoral vote, which is what really matters:
270towin.com
New York Times
Real Clear Politics

MoreGamesNow wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

Mokat wrote:

Neither canidate was completely honest.

Name (and include a quote) one time when Obama was not honest.

This isn't an outright lie, but Obama did pretty much dodge the question about oil prices (which is certainly not "completely honest").  It's is probably fair to say that both candidates are excellent at dodging questions 

Your energy secretary, Steven Chu, has now been on record three times stating it's not policy of his department to help lower gas prices. Do you agree with Secretary Chu that this is not the job of the Energy Department?

Obama wrote:

...see above post, the quote is pretty long so I'm not including it again...

Well, let's go through that part by part.

The US is more energy independent than it has been in a while.
Due to new ideas that have been discovered, natural gas production has seen a big increase lately.
Doubling fuel efficiency on cars was a very good idea, as it will help save the resources we have and make them last longer
Romney just wants oil companies to do whatever they want, which is a bad idea, because that will destroy our natural resources since nobody is making them follow any rules

Also, I don't think gas prices should go down. When gas prices were low a few years back, it was because the economy was absolutely TERRIBLE! When the economy does badly, prices go down, including the price of gas. Usually, when prices go up, that is also a sign of a good economy (with a few exceptions, such as Zimbabwe, the CSA during the civil war, etc., but not here), so gas prices going up should be a good thing, because it indicates a stronger economy.

Mokat wrote:

jvvg wrote:

MoreGamesNow wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

Name (and include a quote) one time when Obama was not honest.

This isn't an outright lie, but Obama did pretty much dodge the question about oil prices (which is certainly not "completely honest").  It's is probably fair to say that both candidates are excellent at dodging questions 

Your energy secretary, Steven Chu, has now been on record three times stating it's not policy of his department to help lower gas prices. Do you agree with Secretary Chu that this is not the job of the Energy Department?

Well, let's go through that part by part.

The US is more energy independent than it has been in a while.
Due to new ideas that have been discovered, natural gas production has seen a big increase lately.
Doubling fuel efficiency on cars was a very good idea, as it will help save the resources we have and make them last longer
Romney just wants oil companies to do whatever they want, which is a bad idea, because that will destroy our natural resources since nobody is making them follow any rules

Also, I don't think gas prices should go down. When gas prices were low a few years back, it was because the economy was absolutely TERRIBLE! When the economy does badly, prices go down, including the price of gas. Usually, when prices go up, that is also a sign of a good economy (with a few exceptions, such as Zimbabwe, the CSA during the civil war, etc., but not here), so gas prices going up should be a good thing, because it indicates a stronger economy.

It's better for the planet when gas prices are up because people will start riding bikes or walking or using public transportation more.

Yeah, but I don't think like that.

It's like saying that it'd be better if the Internet was censored in more countries, it would make people be online less and be out in the air more. 

TorbyFork234 wrote:

jvvg wrote:

MoreGamesNow wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

Name (and include a quote) one time when Obama was not honest.

This isn't an outright lie, but Obama did pretty much dodge the question about oil prices (which is certainly not "completely honest").  It's is probably fair to say that both candidates are excellent at dodging questions 

Your energy secretary, Steven Chu, has now been on record three times stating it's not policy of his department to help lower gas prices. Do you agree with Secretary Chu that this is not the job of the Energy Department?

Well, let's go through that part by part.

The US is more energy independent than it has been in a while.
Due to new ideas that have been discovered, natural gas production has seen a big increase lately.
Doubling fuel efficiency on cars was a very good idea, as it will help save the resources we have and make them last longer
Romney just wants oil companies to do whatever they want, which is a bad idea, because that will destroy our natural resources since nobody is making them follow any rules


Also, I don't think gas prices should go down. When gas prices were low a few years back, it was because the economy was absolutely TERRIBLE! When the economy does badly, prices go down, including the price of gas. Usually, when prices go up, that is also a sign of a good economy (with a few exceptions, such as Zimbabwe, the CSA during the civil war, etc., but not here), so gas prices going up should be a good thing, because it indicates a stronger economy.

But if it works on it's own system, with the government getting involved, and it helps shows the economy state, why would you want the government to stop getting involved and have it stay at high prices, no matter the state of the economy?

Let's go through it again part by part:
Obama talks about how the U.S. - which he was trying to sound like it was the government, instead of the car companies they gave money to, by saying we instead of U.S. - was up in energy efficiency in cars.
He talks about job opportunities in drilling.
He talks about lower prices for gas.
He didn't answer the question.

He totally answered the question!!!
He said that the low gas prices were a result of the really bad economy under Bush. He then also said that he doesn't want that same economy, which sounds like answering the question to me...

CatPerson wrote:

Mitt Romney is cutting taxes... for snobby rich people like him. He Strapped his dog (In a cage) To the top of his car for 12 hours.  Most of my friends say that if they were to do that, theyre dog would like it 

I'm certain you have a credible source, no?

jvvg wrote:

Check this out!

http://i.imgur.com/mYkIi.png

My 2016 project got top viewed!

Good for you! I've never been on the front page, so like yeah.

jvvg wrote:

CN12 wrote:

jvvg wrote:

Check this out!

http://i.imgur.com/mYkIi.png

My 2016 project got top viewed!

Good for you! I've never been on the front page, so like yeah.

It's my first time on the front page, and I've been Scratching for years!

I've been front-paged three times, once for being in SDS, once for top remixed, and once for top viewed.

Firedrake969 wrote:

Mokat wrote:

jvvg wrote:

It's my first time on the front page, and I've been Scratching for years!

I've been front-paged three times, once for being in SDS, once for top remixed, and once for top viewed.

Three times also!  Newest, curated, and SDS.[/offtopic]

Yeah lets get back on topic here guys.

I hate politics, but who saw Mitt Romney Style? It's a parody of Gangnam Style, with mitt Romney (I hate Romney, but it was hilarious!)

Oh by the way I suggest you little kiddies don't watch it, it has naughty words!

Animeboy975 wrote:

I hate politics, but who saw Mitt Romney Style? It's a parody of Gangnam Style, with mitt Romney (I hate Romney, but it was hilarious!)

Oh by the way I suggest you little kiddies don't watch it, it has naughty words!

Yeah, it's really funny.

I mainly like politics because I like arguing and completely destroying those who don't see logic and reason.

MoreGamesNow wrote:

jvvg wrote:

He totally answered the question!!!
He said that the low gas prices were a result of the really bad economy under Bush. He then also said that he doesn't want that same economy, which sounds like answering the question to me...

The question was:

Your energy secretary, Steven Chu, has now been on record three times stating it's not policy of his department to help lower gas prices. Do you agree with Secretary Chu that this is not the job of the Energy Department?

Discussing energy in general doesn't mean that he answered the question.  He did not state whether it was the energy department's job to lower gas prices.

To be quite honest, I used to be guilty of the same thing (e.g. addressing questions either very vaguely or simply discussing parallel topics), but I've gotten better, especially over the last two years.  Probably the single most important piece of advice to most writers is "address the prompt".  Obama (and Romney) did not address many questions posed to them, but instead responded with a slew of positives and negatives on the general topic the question touched on.  This is, in my opinion, part of the reason the debate(s) sound(ed) so repetitive.

He was asked about whether it was the energy department's policy to lower gas prices, and he said it's not, because what lowers gas prices is a bad economy.