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#576 2012-10-13 14:18:08

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

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16Skittles wrote:


So you support more stimulus, and the American Recovery and Reinvestment act? Both of those are SUPPORTED in the article. Point number two was attacking his decision to keep a Republican in charge of the federal reserve. Points one, three, and six were not about the president's policies, just the way that he implemented them.

You're too good of a debater.  sad  (By the way that's a compliment)

The quality of one's debating skills has little to nothing to do with this, really. If you can't maintain a good debate, chances are that you either don't know enough about it to really be arguing/have a valid opinion or that what you're backing up simply isn't comparable to the other argument.  hmm

I really don't know much political stuff.


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#577 2012-10-13 14:19:26

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I wanted Obama to win in 2008, and I expected more of him. So that's the reason I don't want him to be re-elected.


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#578 2012-10-13 14:23:01

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

CN12 wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

CN12 wrote:


You're too good of a debater.  sad  (By the way that's a compliment)

The quality of one's debating skills has little to nothing to do with this, really. If you can't maintain a good debate, chances are that you either don't know enough about it to really be arguing/have a valid opinion or that what you're backing up simply isn't comparable to the other argument.  hmm

I really don't know much political stuff.

Then how are you making all these arguments?  tongue


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#579 2012-10-13 14:24:19

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funelephant wrote:

CN12 wrote:

stevetheipad wrote:

The quality of one's debating skills has little to nothing to do with this, really. If you can't maintain a good debate, chances are that you either don't know enough about it to really be arguing/have a valid opinion or that what you're backing up simply isn't comparable to the other argument.  hmm

I really don't know much political stuff.

Then how are you making all these arguments?  tongue

With what I DO know.  big_smile

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#580 2012-10-13 14:26:08

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

CN12 wrote:

I wanted Obama to win in 2008, and I expected more of him. So that's the reason I don't want him to be re-elected.

Your problem is not the president, it's the people who help (or don't help in this case) pass laws.


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#581 2012-10-13 14:28:26

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

stevetheipad wrote:

CN12 wrote:

I wanted Obama to win in 2008, and I expected more of him. So that's the reason I don't want him to be re-elected.

Your problem is not the president, it's the people who help (or don't help in this case) pass laws.

No, it's Obama AND the people who help and don't help pass laws.


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#582 2012-10-13 14:29:24

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

CN12 wrote:

Jvvg, I had no idea that you had put that in your signature before I put that in mine. And you shouldn't listen to that show because they sometimes use bad words. But now I have another source for Biden giggling and stuff like that. http://mobile.wnd.com/2012/10/snark-int … -sneering/

So Romney is a jerk in a debate and it's "good", and Biden is by telling Ryan that most of what he said is either half-truths or outright lies is considered being "crazy".


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#583 2012-10-13 14:35:04

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

jvvg wrote:

CN12 wrote:

Jvvg, I had no idea that you had put that in your signature before I put that in mine. And you shouldn't listen to that show because they sometimes use bad words. But now I have another source for Biden giggling and stuff like that. http://mobile.wnd.com/2012/10/snark-int … -sneering/

Biden is by telling Ryan that most of what he said is either half-truths or outright lies is considered being "crazy".

Lots of people thought Biden was being rude by sneering and interupting tons when Ryan was speaking.

Google it. It's true.


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#584 2012-10-13 14:38:59

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

CN12 wrote:

jvvg wrote:

CN12 wrote:

Jvvg, I had no idea that you had put that in your signature before I put that in mine. And you shouldn't listen to that show because they sometimes use bad words. But now I have another source for Biden giggling and stuff like that. http://mobile.wnd.com/2012/10/snark-int … -sneering/

Biden is by telling Ryan that most of what he said is either half-truths or outright lies is considered being "crazy".

Lots of people thought Biden was being rude by sneering and interupting tons when Ryan was speaking.

Google it. It's true.

And nobody thought it was rude when Romney did it in his debate?


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#585 2012-10-13 14:49:38

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

cant we just get rid of this electoral college thingy


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#586 2012-10-13 15:34:39

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

Laternenpfahl wrote:

cant we just get rid of this electoral college thingy

It would be for the better, really. I can understand how it would be easier than trying to tally every vote in the 1700s and 1800s when the system was created, but in the digital age we shouldn't be having these kind of issues with communication.


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#587 2012-10-13 16:35:26

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

jvvg wrote:

CN12 wrote:

jvvg wrote:


Biden is by telling Ryan that most of what he said is either half-truths or outright lies is considered being "crazy".

Lots of people thought Biden was being rude by sneering and interupting tons when Ryan was speaking.

Google it. It's true.

And nobody thought it was rude when Romney did it in his debate?

Everyone does it, but Biden did it excessivly.


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#588 2012-10-13 16:38:50

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

CN12 wrote:

jvvg wrote:

CN12 wrote:


Lots of people thought Biden was being rude by sneering and interupting tons when Ryan was speaking.

Google it. It's true.

And nobody thought it was rude when Romney did it in his debate?

Everyone does it, but Biden did it excessivly.

Romney also did it extremely excessively. Also, Romney was interrupting Obama with lies. Biden interrupted Ryan by saying Ryan was lying, because he actually was.


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#589 2012-10-13 16:43:51

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

16Skittles wrote:

Laternenpfahl wrote:

cant we just get rid of this electoral college thingy

It would be for the better, really. I can understand how it would be easier than trying to tally every vote in the 1700s and 1800s when the system was created, but in the digital age we shouldn't be having these kind of issues with communication.

One possible solution that's slightly easier is that just all the electors vote for the person who got the popular vote.


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#590 2012-10-13 17:12:08

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

jvvg wrote:

CN12 wrote:

Jvvg, I had no idea that you had put that in your signature before I put that in mine. And you shouldn't listen to that show because they sometimes use bad words. But now I have another source for Biden giggling and stuff like that. http://mobile.wnd.com/2012/10/snark-int … -sneering/

So Romney is a jerk in a debate and it's "good", and Biden is by telling Ryan that most of what he said is either half-truths or outright lies is considered being "crazy".

Romney was not a "jerk" in the debate, he did a very good job while looking presidential. Biden just looked arrogant, smug, and condescending; nothing made him look vice presidential. He was smiling, no, laughing when they were discussing very important issues!  hmm


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#591 2012-10-13 17:15:21

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

cartooncreator wrote:

jvvg wrote:

CN12 wrote:

Jvvg, I had no idea that you had put that in your signature before I put that in mine. And you shouldn't listen to that show because they sometimes use bad words. But now I have another source for Biden giggling and stuff like that. http://mobile.wnd.com/2012/10/snark-int … -sneering/

So Romney is a jerk in a debate and it's "good", and Biden is by telling Ryan that most of what he said is either half-truths or outright lies is considered being "crazy".

Romney was not a "jerk" in the debate, he did a very good job while looking presidential. Biden just looked arrogant, smug, and condescending; nothing made him look vice presidential. He was smiling, no, laughing when they were discussing very important issues!  hmm

I think that it's funny when somebody actually thinks they can win a debate with stuff that they made up and have pretty much nothing to support. I would laugh too if my opponent were like Ryan was there for the reason I stated above.


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#592 2012-10-13 17:24:43

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

jvvg wrote:

cartooncreator wrote:

jvvg wrote:


So Romney is a jerk in a debate and it's "good", and Biden is by telling Ryan that most of what he said is either half-truths or outright lies is considered being "crazy".

Romney was not a "jerk" in the debate, he did a very good job while looking presidential. Biden just looked arrogant, smug, and condescending; nothing made him look vice presidential. He was smiling, no, laughing when they were discussing very important issues!  hmm

I think that it's funny when somebody actually thinks they can win a debate with stuff that they made up and have pretty much nothing to support. I would laugh too if my opponent were like Ryan was there for the reason I stated above.

Yeah, and Biden is the one who is spouting lies! The economy is much worse than when Bush was in office; we are TRILLIONS in debt, have more people on food stamps, etc! Obama said he would unite the United States; unite my eye!!! He has created class warfare, has split the country, and he is the one to blame for all of this!!! #Nobama


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#593 2012-10-13 17:29:21

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it almost doubled under bush
source: http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/jul/19/paul-sadler/paul-sadler-says-national-debt-doubled-under-georg/
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#594 2012-10-13 17:35:41

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Re: United States 2012 Presidential Election

cartooncreator wrote:

jvvg wrote:

cartooncreator wrote:

Romney was not a "jerk" in the debate, he did a very good job while looking presidential. Biden just looked arrogant, smug, and condescending; nothing made him look vice presidential. He was smiling, no, laughing when they were discussing very important issues!  hmm

I think that it's funny when somebody actually thinks they can win a debate with stuff that they made up and have pretty much nothing to support. I would laugh too if my opponent were like Ryan was there for the reason I stated above.

Yeah, and Biden is the one who is spouting lies! The economy is much worse than when Bush was in office; we are TRILLIONS in debt, have more people on food stamps, etc! Obama said he would unite the United States; unite my eye!!! He has created class warfare, has split the country, and he is the one to blame for all of this!!! #Nobama

*Laughs like Biden at cartooncreator*
The economy has improved a lot. A lot more businesses are doing better, the unemployment is better, etc. The high debt is a result of Republicans refusing to cooperate with the President.
And, about "creating class warfare", Romney wants to give big tax breaks to the rich (making them even richer) while taxing the middle class more (making them have less money). Talk about separating classes.

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#595 2012-10-13 17:37:45

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@cartooncreator

If your going to have a civilized debate, I recommend you don't use hashtags.


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#596 2012-10-13 17:40:18

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@cartooncreator

If your going to have a civilized debate, I recommend you don't use hashtags.

+1


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#597 2012-10-13 17:49:16

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I am going to go through your statement line by line and tell you why it's wrong.

cartooncreator wrote:

Yeah, and Biden is the one who is spouting lies!

Not flaming material at all...


The economy is much worse than when Bush was in office;

By that I assume you mean the beginning, with the massive stimulus inherited from Clinton and low unemployment. At the end there, unemployment was pushing 10%; it's now 7.8%.


we are TRILLIONS in debt

And have been for decades. Republicans just don't like the debt because they know half of it is theirs, and Obama inherited a situation from them where more debt was unavoidable.


have more people on food stamps, etc!

Yes, there are more peple on food stamps, failing to starve. But Paul Ryan proposes we cut the food stamp program to save money. Hopefully those now-starving people appreciate their tax cut...


Obama said he would unite the United States; unite my eye!!!

If your eye is currently ununited, you should see a doctor immediately. Mr. Obama unified enough of the country to win the presidency and then was met by the obstructionist Republicans in House and Senate that proclaimed it was their highest goal to prevent Obama a second term.


He has created class warfare, has split the country, and he is the one to blame for all of this!!! #Nobama

Nice of you to take responsibility for the Bush years, where Guantanamo thrived, Iraq and Afghanistan were invaded, an expensive prescription drug plan was put into place, and all of this was paid for with... Tax cuts?

I really appreciate your signature, cartooncreator - "Romney FTW". A vote for Romney is a vote to let global warming destroy the planet, so indeed that would be FingTW.


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#598 2012-10-13 17:55:23

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jvvg wrote:

funelephant wrote:

@cartooncreator

If your going to have a civilized debate, I recommend you don't use hashtags.

+1

+1
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#599 2012-10-13 17:56:03

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#plusone


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#600 2012-10-13 17:59:13

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OverPowered wrote:

I am going to go through your statement line by line and tell you why it's wrong.

cartooncreator wrote:

Yeah, and Biden is the one who is spouting lies!

Not flaming material at all...


The economy is much worse than when Bush was in office;

By that I assume you mean the beginning, with the massive stimulus inherited from Clinton and low unemployment. At the end there, unemployment was pushing 10%; it's now 7.8%.


we are TRILLIONS in debt

And have been for decades. Republicans just don't like the debt because they know half of it is theirs, and Obama inherited a situation from them where more debt was unavoidable.


have more people on food stamps, etc!

Yes, there are more peple on food stamps, failing to starve. But Paul Ryan proposes we cut the food stamp program to save money. Hopefully those now-starving people appreciate their tax cut...


Obama said he would unite the United States; unite my eye!!!

If your eye is currently ununited, you should see a doctor immediately. Mr. Obama unified enough of the country to win the presidency and then was met by the obstructionist Republicans in House and Senate that proclaimed it was their highest goal to prevent Obama a second term.


He has created class warfare, has split the country, and he is the one to blame for all of this!!! #Nobama

Nice of you to take responsibility for the Bush years, where Guantanamo thrived, Iraq and Afghanistan were invaded, an expensive prescription drug plan was put into place, and all of this was paid for with... Tax cuts?

I really appreciate your signature, cartooncreator - "Romney FTW". A vote for Romney is a vote to let global warming destroy the planet, so indeed that would be FingTW.

Well said.


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