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#26 2012-09-15 08:33:55

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Re: the truth about chocolate milk...

9star wrote:

PonyvilleSlugger wrote:

Quality control makes sure that any cow that is bleeding will have its milk tracked down so they can make sure it doesn't make it to the shops, and the blood can be dangerous because it can contain a number of diseases if the cow was bleeding in the first place, so it's not sold to anyone and it's just disposed of.

And cows want to be milked, most cows aren't even forced, they just go into the milking barn and the machine hooks up and milks the cow, then the cow can go about its day without feeling full. There's a massive difference between forcing 30 chickens into a 1x1 cage and having a 30 acre field for a few hundred chickens, not all farms are cruel to the animals.

YES THEY ARE. even if the chickens have a massive field, there are SO MANY chickens in the barn, not all of them can get to their field. and in cow milk farms, this is what they do:

they breed the cows and wait for them to give birth. then they take the calf away and slaughter it. (the baby cow is a too skinnier breed for meat, so they throw to body away.)

the mother cow cries for her lost baby (FACT) then they milk it until she stops making milk anymore. cows can live for up to FIFTEEN YEARS. cows in farms only live to be three because of exhaustion. and in most farms. they are kept in stalls. and have NO acces to fields.

Just saying, that sounds so ridiculous that it is probably made up. first of all, if they kill the baby cows then where do they get all the other cows when they die of exhaustion? They wouldn't go through all that effort to get the cow to have a baby if they are just going to put it to waste.

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#27 2012-09-15 08:35:51

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Re: the truth about chocolate milk...

wiimaster wrote:

PonyvilleSlugger wrote:

Also I'd like to add that basic science has some logic to it, being able to rip of flesh with our front teeth probably means we were made to eat meat, what do animals do after killing another animal? Eat it.

And how comes we can work off meat so well? If a horse or a cow eats meat it becomes barbaric and starts killing other animals, I've never seen a police crew show up because someone at Macdonald's went mad.

We were made to eat meat and plants, we've been eating both for hundreds and thousands of years and there hasn't been a single hitch, treatment of animals IS getting better so in a few years farms will be completely humane and hopefully there will not be any more people trying to stop others from eating what they want.

You have lots of incorrect information here.
Humans were originally herbivores. Or, as many people are putting it, we are 'meant' to be herbivores. There is a truckload of proof:
-Carnivores have intestines that are about 5 times longer than their body length. This goes for most carnivores. Herbivores, on the other hand, have intestines that are 10 times as long as their bodies. Humans have the same intestine ratio as a herbivore.
-Carnivores’ stomachs more acidic than herbivores' stomachs. Human stomachs have the same acidity as a herbivores stomach.
-The saliva of carnivores is acidic. The saliva of herbivores is alkaline. We have alkaline saliva.
-Carnivore bowels are smooth and pipe-shaped so meat passes through quickly. Herbivore bowels are bumpy and with lots of pockets so plant foods pass through slowly so we can get the most nutrient absorption. Human bowels have the characteristics of herbivores.
-Carnivores do not need fiber to help move food through their shoirt, smooth digestive system. Herbivores require fiber to help food get through their long and bumpy digestive system, so things don't get clogged down there.
-Carnivores can handle high-cholesterol diets without health effects. A human cannot. Humans have no need for cholesterol because our bodies make all the cholesterol we need. Cholesterol is only found in animal foods (meat), never in plant foods. A plant diet is the vest way to eat cholesterol-free.
-Carnivores have claws and sharp front teeth so they can easily kill prey, not flat molars for chewing. Herbivores have no claws or sharp teeth (why would they need it?), but they have flat molars that are good for chewing plant material. Guess what? Humans have the same characteristics as herbivores.
-Humans aren't actually suited to be carnivorous, or even omnivorous. Why do you think we take so long to digest meat? Why do you think we are morbidly obese as a species now? It is because so long ago, we started eating meat, which wasn't natural and harmed are bodies in immediate ways (we probably got sick at first, but now our bodies have adapted to that) and long term ways, like this obesity. Our body isn't suited to handle all this cholesterol we are getting from the meat we eat.

Lastly, if you even tried to feed meat to a cow, it wouldn't. I guess if you starved it for weeks and then gave it some meat it would eat it, but it probably wouldn't like it and would suffer from serious health effects. It wouldn't get the taste of blood or anything like that, and definately WOULD NOT 'become barbaric and start killing other animals'. Don't be ridiculous.

Please don't spread around facts that you clearly haven't researched. I'm not saying you are stupid, its more like you are misinformed. A simple google search to a trusted website could have told you all of this.

There's books about horses living in the wilds that eat meat, and they're fierce.

Even if we weren't meant to eat meat, nobody's going to stop me, I enjoy meat far too much to just stop. I wish vegans and vegetarians would get off their high horse and realize that it's a free country, if I want to eat meat that is my choice and it shouldn't be challenged whenever I get meat from a store, I get that not all vegans and vegetarians are like this but that's because you wouldn't really notice if someone was vegetarian or not if they didn't mention it every 10 minutes, we're all people but some of us feel like we're more of a person than another. If cows lived in the wild there'd be nobody protecting them, they'd always be at risk of dying by anything at all.

TL;DR, I don't care if a cow screams for its baby, as long as it sizzles on my frying pan I couldn't really care less, I'd rather that everyone had humane farms, but until then I'm taking what I can get. And I'm not really too bothered about milk, I've been drinking it all this time so I'm not really bothered what it contains, it hasn't killed me so I'm not bothered.


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#28 2012-09-15 08:36:06

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Re: the truth about chocolate milk...

MrMokey wrote:

9star wrote:

PonyvilleSlugger wrote:

Quality control makes sure that any cow that is bleeding will have its milk tracked down so they can make sure it doesn't make it to the shops, and the blood can be dangerous because it can contain a number of diseases if the cow was bleeding in the first place, so it's not sold to anyone and it's just disposed of.

And cows want to be milked, most cows aren't even forced, they just go into the milking barn and the machine hooks up and milks the cow, then the cow can go about its day without feeling full. There's a massive difference between forcing 30 chickens into a 1x1 cage and having a 30 acre field for a few hundred chickens, not all farms are cruel to the animals.

YES THEY ARE. even if the chickens have a massive field, there are SO MANY chickens in the barn, not all of them can get to their field. and in cow milk farms, this is what they do:

they breed the cows and wait for them to give birth. then they take the calf away and slaughter it. (the baby cow is a too skinnier breed for meat, so they throw to body away.)

the mother cow cries for her lost baby (FACT) then they milk it until she stops making milk anymore. cows can live for up to FIFTEEN YEARS. cows in farms only live to be three because of exhaustion. and in most farms. they are kept in stalls. and have NO acces to fields.

Just saying, that sounds so ridiculous that it is probably made up. first of all, if they kill the baby cows then where do they get all the other cows when they die of exhaustion? This topic is ridiculous.

It is ridiculous.

I know a daughter of a dairy farmer and their cows ARE milked by machine but they're always nice to them and treat them well. Baby cows would not be slaughtered because they grow up to provide milk.


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#29 2012-09-15 08:38:12

wiimaster
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Re: the truth about chocolate milk...

soupoftomato wrote:

wiimaster wrote:

PonyvilleSlugger wrote:

Also I'd like to add that basic science has some logic to it, being able to rip of flesh with our front teeth probably means we were made to eat meat, what do animals do after killing another animal? Eat it.

And how comes we can work off meat so well? If a horse or a cow eats meat it becomes barbaric and starts killing other animals, I've never seen a police crew show up because someone at Macdonald's went mad.

We were made to eat meat and plants, we've been eating both for hundreds and thousands of years and there hasn't been a single hitch, treatment of animals IS getting better so in a few years farms will be completely humane and hopefully there will not be any more people trying to stop others from eating what they want.

You have lots of incorrect information here.
Humans were originally herbivores. Or, as many people are putting it, we are 'meant' to be herbivores. There is a truckload of proof:
-Carnivores have intestines that are about 5 times longer than their body length. This goes for most carnivores. Herbivores, on the other hand, have intestines that are 10 times as long as their bodies. Humans have the same intestine ratio as a herbivore.
-Carnivores’ stomachs more acidic than herbivores' stomachs. Human stomachs have the same acidity as a herbivores stomach.
-The saliva of carnivores is acidic. The saliva of herbivores is alkaline. We have alkaline saliva.
-Carnivore bowels are smooth and pipe-shaped so meat passes through quickly. Herbivore bowels are bumpy and with lots of pockets so plant foods pass through slowly so we can get the most nutrient absorption. Human bowels have the characteristics of herbivores.
-Carnivores do not need fiber to help move food through their shoirt, smooth digestive system. Herbivores require fiber to help food get through their long and bumpy digestive system, so things don't get clogged down there.
-Carnivores can handle high-cholesterol diets without health effects. A human cannot. Humans have no need for cholesterol because our bodies make all the cholesterol we need. Cholesterol is only found in animal foods (meat), never in plant foods. A plant diet is the vest way to eat cholesterol-free.
-Carnivores have claws and sharp front teeth so they can easily kill prey, not flat molars for chewing. Herbivores have no claws or sharp teeth (why would they need it?), but they have flat molars that are good for chewing plant material. Guess what? Humans have the same characteristics as herbivores.
-Humans aren't actually suited to be carnivorous, or even omnivorous. Why do you think we take so long to digest meat? Why do you think we are morbidly obese as a species now? It is because so long ago, we started eating meat, which wasn't natural and harmed are bodies in immediate ways (we probably got sick at first, but now our bodies have adapted to that) and long term ways, like this obesity. Our body isn't suited to handle all this cholesterol we are getting from the meat we eat.

Lastly, if you even tried to feed meat to a cow, it wouldn't. I guess if you starved it for weeks and then gave it some meat it would eat it, but it probably wouldn't like it and would suffer from serious health effects. It wouldn't get the taste of blood or anything like that, and definately WOULD NOT 'become barbaric and start killing other animals'. Don't be ridiculous.

Please don't spread around facts that you clearly haven't researched. I'm not saying you are stupid, its more like you are misinformed. A simple google search to a trusted website could have told you all of this.

Meat was the first thing we started eating in terms of survival in Hunter-Gatherer societies. Plants would become more prevalent in the agricultural revolution.

That doesn't mean anything. Far before the agricultural revolution, even before any society, we were herbivores. That is how we were made.
Humans eating meat is not natural, that is a fact. It is still having negative health effects on us today.
I'm not saying meat is bad, because our bodies have adapted to some of these health effects by now. I don't want to side with anyone in this debate, that's not what I am here to do, I just want to inform both sides because nearly everyone- EVERYONE- is spreading falsehoods amok.


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#30 2012-09-15 08:42:23

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Re: the truth about chocolate milk...

Everything is bad.

Just live, don't say anything, don't try to change anyone, just live.

Media says bacon, eggs, burgers, etc. produce cancer, doesn't matter, just live.

Someone tells you smoking gives you cancer, you know that, you smoke because it relieves stress, you don't live as long but you live.

Just live how YOU want to, not everyone is a pawn, if I want to do something I will probably do it, as long as I'm not harming anyone else or breaking the law.

And by the way, all the people that are meant to be helping animals are the ones killing them, PETA kill way more animals than they keep.


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#31 2012-09-15 08:48:01

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Re: the truth about chocolate milk...

Okay, a couple of things here:

1. This topic is for discussing things that you are reading and/or playing that you find inspiring.  The original post made no mention of sources for the controversial material that was being posted.  There need to be valid sources quoted.

2. We're not going to get back into the vegan/vegetarian/omnivore/carnivore discussions on these forums.  That comes under the "controversial topics that nobody is ever going to agree on" category; like religion and politics.


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