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taddl wrote:

maybe they just want to play the games of other scratchers in the flash player...

Good point.

@OverPowered: They may not have logged-in for 3 months maybe because they were busy, and then say for example, they have a school holiday, they log in to download a project, and to their pleasant surprise, their account is still there.

jontmy00 wrote:

taddl wrote:

maybe they just want to play the games of other scratchers in the flash player...

Good point.

@OverPowered: They may not have logged-in for 3 months maybe because they were busy, and then say for example, they have a school holiday, they log in to download a project, and to their pleasant surprise, their account is still there.

I really don't see any problem here. If they are really just here to download & play projects with flash, but visit regulary, they will notice if their account could be removed in a month or to. And say nol If they don't notice anything about an Account Cleaning, they just create a new account *shrug* (Cause that means they REALLY didnt visit that often, so its not that important to them as well) And in case they had friends, they can text them, can't they?! Whats so difficult about that. And even if they had a few projects on their own, it's easy to re-upload them. Yeah, they might have deleted them for some reason. Well, bad luck, but maybe create something new?^^

Everybody noticed all the mights? It's not very likely there are many people who care about their account and have that bad luck...

Everybody who does not want his/her account deleted will notice. At least 99% of them. 1 out of 100, and i'm convinced the number is even smaller, might come back to find his account gone. 1 out of 500. It depents on the time-span that is given to make sure your account will not be deleted. The more time they give, the less people will have bad surprises.

I still think we might as well clean the User-Lists up a little.

Last edited by xJira (2012-09-04 12:31:46)

OverPowered wrote:

@Wes64 - Where did you get data for
a) the number of projectless commentless inactive users?
b) account data usage?
c) the community's definition of a "well-sized" project?

a - that was the number of users who haven't uploaded a project (comments aside). its not accurate data and is a generalization, but it suits my point

b - estimation based on the file sizes of .jpg and .txt files

c - the maximum is 10mb, the minimum is 0 mb, so i took half

also thats how big most of my projects are

OverPowered wrote:

Wes64 wrote:

OverPowered wrote:

@Wes64 - Where did you get data for
a) the number of projectless commentless inactive users?
b) account data usage?
c) the community's definition of a "well-sized" project?

a - that was the number of users who haven't uploaded a project (comments aside). its not accurate data and is a generalization, but it suits my point

b - estimation based on the file sizes of .jpg and .txt files

c - the maximum is 10mb, the minimum is 0 mb, so i took half

also thats how big most of my projects are

Thanks. 
For A, I believe the number of projectless users is about 1,500,000, with 1,900k Users - 350k Project Creators, but that aside, the rest of your information seems reasonably valid. 

Though removing inactive unvisited users may not remove a huge amount of needless data, it would free up hundreds of thousands of usernames for others to use as well as providing more accurate statistics.

your statistics are off

there are only 1,197,776 registered users

Last edited by Wes64 (2012-09-04 18:41:26)

OverPowered wrote:

Wes64 wrote:

OverPowered wrote:

Thanks. 
For A, I believe the number of projectless users is about 1,500,000, with 1,900k Users - 350k Project Creators, but that aside, the rest of your information seems reasonably valid. 

Though removing inactive unvisited users may not remove a huge amount of needless data, it would free up hundreds of thousands of usernames for others to use as well as providing more accurate statistics.

your statistics are off

there are only 1,197,776 registered users

Oh, lol, sorry. 
I still think the hundreds of thousands of new usernames would be nice. 

there are always ways to get wrould it

like if wes64 was taken i would have just put a dash or more numbers

There may be students from schools, and create and account to upload their assignments, and go inactive, say for 6 months, and they've an exam, and they are to upload their projects to the account, but find their account gone?

jontmy00 wrote:

There may be students from schools, and create and account to upload their assignments, and go inactive, say for 6 months, and they've an exam, and they are to upload their projects to the account, but find their account gone?

How likely is that?!
Students that upload their assignments, hm... How many schools have Scratch-Assignments? Would be more logical to sent them via E-Mail or something. Even if thats the case, they will not delete them, assingments are important. Create a new account, re-upload it.

Why u create strange reasons not to delete COMENTLESS, PROJECTLESS and for ages INACTIVE users oO Whats the problem with that?

And even if they have a few unseen projects with no comments. If they were inactive for a whole lot of time, they will not come back. And if, their accounts hadn't had any "great projects" anyway. I don't want the good projects gone.

Maybe you could only delete people who don't have projects, don't have favourites, never left a comment and have never been in the forums? people who only made a profile but never used it?

Last edited by LiFaytheGoblin (2012-09-05 16:06:20)

AND never downloaded a project.

But it can be difficult to determine that. I don't know specifically what the ST can and can't monitor in terms of a users activity, and it would save space to get rid of profiles with no downloads, faves, love-its, projects, comments, posts, friends, and has been on for a long time, but there may not be a way to fing out if this matches a profile. If there is, the ST could do something, but there's always the chance that someone finally decides to do something, then can't because it's deleted. To many ifs in the equation. 

That's the description of almost 2/3 acconts on Scratch zubblewu...

sonicfan12p wrote:

That's just it, most of the great projects would be gone were we to follow you're idea. While this is a great way to clean up collabs, which some collabs have done, but not the Scratch website.

Why would the great users and their projects be gone? Those users are viewed often, have many comments and wouldn't even be considered fr removal...

Besides, as mentioned earlier, with the commentless, projectless, everyting else less users, they may only have the account to download projects, without an interest in using the rest of the site. Deleting that would be unfair to them.

How is it "unfair"? The person has not vsited Scratch in a looong time, at least a two or three months, and merely has their account closed. It takes aboutfive minutes at the most to set up a new account, why would they care if they didn't actually use the rest of the website?

sonicfan12p wrote:

That's the description of almost 2/3 acounts on Scratch zubblewu...

Yes, you're correct. About 800,000 accounts have no projects, and some portion of those will have no or very few comments and be inactive. The number of these projects is actually why this is a problem. A huge number of accounts are being totally unsued, hurt statistics gathering, and contribute a portion of the server's data usage while they could be used by new users who would like that account name. Instead of gathering dust, these accounts and their new users and new projects could be gathering views.